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.an, the TLD that ceased to exist

33 points by popcalc 2y ago

fanf2 2y ago
5 ccTLDs have been deleted https://domainincite.com/30406-five-times-icann-deleted-a-cctld-and-what-it-means-for-io https://domainincite.com/30406-five-times-icann-deleted-a-cc... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41781827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41781827
modelorona 2y ago
Wonder if we'll see a similar post at some point about .io domains
- dedene 2y ago
  I hope not
- marxisttemp 2y ago
  Presumably. Cutesy ccTLD hacks have given me the ick from the start. My last job used .io for our primary Kubernetes cluster and I found it distasteful. Is a fun little reference worth tying your infrastructure to the vagaries of geopolitics?
- pavlov 2y ago
  There’s so much infrastructure on companies that use .io domains that it’s impossible and pointless for anyone to think about removing the TLD. For example, Docker Hub images are at docker.io. Why break those? Who knows where those URLs are cached? Presumably Mauritius will inherit the domain like Russia inherited .su.
  - cess11 2y ago
    To send a signal to corporations and states to not rely on colonial regimes to endure for long.
    - pavlov 2y ago
      Yeah… And which of the involved parties are so eager to send that kind of signal to Docker? What would it change? Mauritius can make money from these registrations, like Anguilla makes a pretty penny from .ai today. They have no practical interest in seeing the .io TLD gone.
      - wbl 2y ago
        Mauritius isn't really the decider here and neither is ICAAN. There is an ISO committee that if they remove the name would kick the decision to Mauritius about how to make the transition.
      - cess11 2y ago
        The TLD they're using.
voytec 2y ago
Theoretically .io should cease to exist as well but apparently TLDs can be "too big to fail"[0], too. But officially, there's a 5 years-long grace period after which .io is deemed to be sunshined[1]. > In essence, a five-year time window will commence during which time usage of the domain will need to be phased out. Related: "Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the Chagos Islands?"[2] (2024-10-03), 250p 210c [0] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/10/io_domain_uk_mauritius/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/10/io_domain_uk_mauritiu... [1] https://domainnamewire.com/2024/10/09/io-domain-names-arent-going-away/ https://domainnamewire.com/2024/10/09/io-domain-names-arent-... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41729526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41729526
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- notpushkin 2y ago
  I really hope .io lives on. Perhaps it could be a nice economic boost for Mauritius?
  - vunderba 2y ago
    Agreed. I've also heard that a fairly significant amount of revenue for the island nation of Tuvalu actually comes from .tv domain registrations.
- masfuerte 2y ago
  That deal could still fall apart. Neither Trump's cronies nor the new government of Mauritius are keen on it.
- netsharc 2y ago
  Why should they be "cleaned up" when there are TLDs like .blog, .hotel, .sucks, and other great ones (.great doesn't exist) that are allowed to be there?
  - voytec 2y ago
andygcook 2y ago
According to Verisign, there’s over 1.5M domains registered on the .io TLD. According to this Wikipedia entry, there were 800 domains registered on the .an TLD the year it was phased out. Who knows what ICANN will do, but my guess is there will be a lot more pressure to keep the .io domain going even though the British Indian Ocean Territory is being ceded to Mauritius (.mu) at some point.
- pelagicAustral 2y ago
  But, I mean, they can keep it, right? à la .SU
  - notpushkin 2y ago
    IIRC they put some administrative protections in place after Russia declined to give up .su – this is why we don't have .yu, despite Serbia (I think) wanting to keep it. Perhaps those can be overruled, though.
    - voytec 2y ago
      ICANN and IANA could effectively delist .su despite Russian Federation's "decline". How much silly and outdated the WHOIS protocol is, the client queries IANA and only then is forwarded to RIPN (Russian Institute for Public Networks).
      - exe34 2y ago
        can Russia force local clients to go through ripn? it would fragment the web further but it's not like others haven't done their own fragmenting.
        voytec 2y ago
        I'd guess that it's actually a requirement. Domains registered under ccTLDs (country-code top level domains) are managed by regional bodies[0]. In case of .su, it's either RIPN or ROSNIIROS[1] which manages the registry and registrations. But again - IANA is universally queried about given TLD and redirects the query to regional body. In case of .su: > whois yandex.su % IANA WHOIS server % for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org % This query returned 1 object refer: whois.tcinet.ru domain: SU organisation: Russian Institute for Development of Public Networks organisation: (ROSNIIROS) (...) # whois.tcinet.ru % TCI Whois Service. Terms of use: % https://tcinet.ru/documents/whois_ru_rf.pdf (in Russian) % https://tcinet.ru/documents/whois_su.pdf (in Russian) domain: YANDEX.SU nserver: ns1.snparking.ru. (...) state: REGISTERED, DELEGATED [0] USUALLY; .tk, .ga, .cf, .gq were managed by by infamous Freenom due to incapability of owners to do it themselves [1] https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/su.html https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/su.html
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33 points by popcalc 2y ago

5 ccTLDs have been deleted https://domainincite.com/30406-five-times-icann-deleted-a-cctld-and-what-it-means-for-io https://domainincite.com/30406-five-times-icann-deleted-a-cc... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41781827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41781827

modelorona 2y ago

Wonder if we'll see a similar post at some point about .io domains

dedene 2y ago
I hope not
marxisttemp 2y ago
Presumably. Cutesy ccTLD hacks have given me the ick from the start. My last job used .io for our primary Kubernetes cluster and I found it distasteful. Is a fun little reference worth tying your infrastructure to the vagaries of geopolitics?
pavlov 2y ago
There’s so much infrastructure on companies that use .io domains that it’s impossible and pointless for anyone to think about removing the TLD. For example, Docker Hub images are at docker.io. Why break those? Who knows where those URLs are cached? Presumably Mauritius will inherit the domain like Russia inherited .su.
- cess11 2y ago
  To send a signal to corporations and states to not rely on colonial regimes to endure for long.
  - pavlov 2y ago
    Yeah… And which of the involved parties are so eager to send that kind of signal to Docker? What would it change? Mauritius can make money from these registrations, like Anguilla makes a pretty penny from .ai today. They have no practical interest in seeing the .io TLD gone.
    - wbl 2y ago
      Mauritius isn't really the decider here and neither is ICAAN. There is an ISO committee that if they remove the name would kick the decision to Mauritius about how to make the transition.
    - cess11 2y ago
      The TLD they're using.

voytec 2y ago

Theoretically .io should cease to exist as well but apparently TLDs can be "too big to fail"[0], too. But officially, there's a 5 years-long grace period after which .io is deemed to be sunshined[1]. > In essence, a five-year time window will commence during which time usage of the domain will need to be phased out. Related: "Ask HN: What happens to ".io" TLD after UK gives back the Chagos Islands?"[2] (2024-10-03), 250p 210c [0] https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/10/io_domain_uk_mauritius/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/10/io_domain_uk_mauritiu... [1] https://domainnamewire.com/2024/10/09/io-domain-names-arent-going-away/ https://domainnamewire.com/2024/10/09/io-domain-names-arent-... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41729526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41729526

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notpushkin 2y ago
I really hope .io lives on. Perhaps it could be a nice economic boost for Mauritius?
- vunderba 2y ago
  Agreed. I've also heard that a fairly significant amount of revenue for the island nation of Tuvalu actually comes from .tv domain registrations.
masfuerte 2y ago
That deal could still fall apart. Neither Trump's cronies nor the new government of Mauritius are keen on it.
netsharc 2y ago
Why should they be "cleaned up" when there are TLDs like .blog, .hotel, .sucks, and other great ones (.great doesn't exist) that are allowed to be there?
- voytec 2y ago

andygcook 2y ago

According to Verisign, there’s over 1.5M domains registered on the .io TLD. According to this Wikipedia entry, there were 800 domains registered on the .an TLD the year it was phased out. Who knows what ICANN will do, but my guess is there will be a lot more pressure to keep the .io domain going even though the British Indian Ocean Territory is being ceded to Mauritius (.mu) at some point.

pelagicAustral 2y ago
But, I mean, they can keep it, right? à la .SU
- notpushkin 2y ago
  IIRC they put some administrative protections in place after Russia declined to give up .su – this is why we don't have .yu, despite Serbia (I think) wanting to keep it. Perhaps those can be overruled, though.
  - voytec 2y ago
    ICANN and IANA could effectively delist .su despite Russian Federation's "decline". How much silly and outdated the WHOIS protocol is, the client queries IANA and only then is forwarded to RIPN (Russian Institute for Public Networks).
    - exe34 2y ago
      can Russia force local clients to go through ripn? it would fragment the web further but it's not like others haven't done their own fragmenting.
      - voytec 2y ago
        I'd guess that it's actually a requirement. Domains registered under ccTLDs (country-code top level domains) are managed by regional bodies[0]. In case of .su, it's either RIPN or ROSNIIROS[1] which manages the registry and registrations. But again - IANA is universally queried about given TLD and redirects the query to regional body. In case of .su: > whois yandex.su % IANA WHOIS server % for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org % This query returned 1 object refer: whois.tcinet.ru domain: SU organisation: Russian Institute for Development of Public Networks organisation: (ROSNIIROS) (...) # whois.tcinet.ru % TCI Whois Service. Terms of use: % https://tcinet.ru/documents/whois_ru_rf.pdf (in Russian) % https://tcinet.ru/documents/whois_su.pdf (in Russian) domain: YANDEX.SU nserver: ns1.snparking.ru. (...) state: REGISTERED, DELEGATED [0] USUALLY; .tk, .ga, .cf, .gq were managed by by infamous Freenom due to incapability of owners to do it themselves [1] https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/su.html https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/su.html

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