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Thanks because "This tool is not available to users under the age of 18 or in certain countries or regions." The EU is left behind

71bw 2y ago
As per usual. If we weren't such a big market we'd already be left behind by everyone else due to all the bullshit happening in the EU legal-wise.
- bojan 2y ago
  What bullshit? Protecting the privacy? Making sure the playing field is at least somewhat level? Sorry, but I'm a big fan of that "bullshit". And the big American companies are not, and they are making sure you know it, by pulling things like this.
  - 71bw 2y ago
    Blocking any innovation and forcing ridiculous tech like EVs via blocking any reasonable development + production of gas vehicles. For example.
- maeln 2y ago
  The legal thing happen exactly because we are a big market.
- Deutschlandds 2y ago
  You are generalizing extremly without any substinance... 1. its Googles decision to not allow this demo globally. Its a Chess Demo, what EU legal issue do you think makes this a problem? Probably NON... And yes we are not America. Our privacy is getting better protected then that of americans. Move if you don't like it or at least take the time and effort to state clearly what you don't like about certain EU regulations.
  - espadrine 2y ago
    When Meta prevented the EU from using meta.ai or even downloading its vision models, I sunk my head in the AI legistation. Here, I am honestly not sure which part they rely on, to say that what they made might be unlawful. The closest thing I found for Meta was that “emotion recognition systems” are classified as high-risk (paragraph 54), and high-risk systems must have their training data disclosed (Art 11(1))[0]. In theory, you could upload photos to meta.ai and ask it what emotions are displayed, but it is already a stretch. For GenChess, I’m at a loss; it doesn’t sound like you can do that. (Not that it prevented any vision chatbot from releasing.) If someone has a better guess as to why they might have restrained it here, I am curious. [0]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32024R1689 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
    - sunbum 2y ago
      It's simple. Big tech doesn't like regulation. By pretending the regulation won't let them release "all these cool things" they can turn public opinion against regulation.
      - lesuorac 2y ago
        See: Cookie Banners. Nothing in the law requires a banner. It could even be handled in the browser by letting people choose what third-party cookies to accept (or none, hence the problem) and having that be negotiated during page load. It's nice the law is being interpreted to require to be as easy to reject all local storage of other's data as it is to accept all local storage of other's data.
  - 6510 2y ago
    I'm allowed to ask for all of the data they have from me. This obviously includes all chess games which obviously is a pain in the ass for a dumb demo that will no doubt be archived next week in some obscure place.
    - WesolyKubeczek 2y ago
- croes 2y ago
  This bullshit prevents the worst misuse of data of EU citizens
  - 71bw 2y ago
    And yet I don't see this "misuse" almost ever abroad?
    - croes 2y ago
      Sure? https://www.aclu-wa.org/docs/harms-data-abuse https://www.aclu-wa.org/docs/harms-data-abuse
GranularRecipe 2y ago
I don't know how Google is internally organised, but maybe Google Labs does not have a dedicated legal team. And out of fear for possible legal implications, they just block it in EU. It's quite understandable, because the relevant legislations (AI Act etc) are all very new, not been tested in courts and due to the lack of stare decisis, you can't rely on a uniform application of the law in all jurisdictions, so they just block it. Frustrating, but I prefer they move fast rather than safe. And from their perspective, it means not releasing it in the EU.
- ZacnyLos 2y ago
  NotebookLM is from Google Labs and was/is available from EU. It's problem with this specific chess project.
PittleyDunkin 2y ago
If this is the future i don't think you're missing much

71bw 2y ago

As per usual. If we weren't such a big market we'd already be left behind by everyone else due to all the bullshit happening in the EU legal-wise.

bojan 2y ago
What bullshit? Protecting the privacy? Making sure the playing field is at least somewhat level? Sorry, but I'm a big fan of that "bullshit". And the big American companies are not, and they are making sure you know it, by pulling things like this.
- 71bw 2y ago
  Blocking any innovation and forcing ridiculous tech like EVs via blocking any reasonable development + production of gas vehicles. For example.
maeln 2y ago
The legal thing happen exactly because we are a big market.
Deutschlandds 2y ago
You are generalizing extremly without any substinance... 1. its Googles decision to not allow this demo globally. Its a Chess Demo, what EU legal issue do you think makes this a problem? Probably NON... And yes we are not America. Our privacy is getting better protected then that of americans. Move if you don't like it or at least take the time and effort to state clearly what you don't like about certain EU regulations.
- espadrine 2y ago
  When Meta prevented the EU from using meta.ai or even downloading its vision models, I sunk my head in the AI legistation. Here, I am honestly not sure which part they rely on, to say that what they made might be unlawful. The closest thing I found for Meta was that “emotion recognition systems” are classified as high-risk (paragraph 54), and high-risk systems must have their training data disclosed (Art 11(1))[0]. In theory, you could upload photos to meta.ai and ask it what emotions are displayed, but it is already a stretch. For GenChess, I’m at a loss; it doesn’t sound like you can do that. (Not that it prevented any vision chatbot from releasing.) If someone has a better guess as to why they might have restrained it here, I am curious. [0]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32024R1689 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
  - sunbum 2y ago
    It's simple. Big tech doesn't like regulation. By pretending the regulation won't let them release "all these cool things" they can turn public opinion against regulation.
    - lesuorac 2y ago
      See: Cookie Banners. Nothing in the law requires a banner. It could even be handled in the browser by letting people choose what third-party cookies to accept (or none, hence the problem) and having that be negotiated during page load. It's nice the law is being interpreted to require to be as easy to reject all local storage of other's data as it is to accept all local storage of other's data.
- 6510 2y ago
  I'm allowed to ask for all of the data they have from me. This obviously includes all chess games which obviously is a pain in the ass for a dumb demo that will no doubt be archived next week in some obscure place.
  - WesolyKubeczek 2y ago
croes 2y ago
This bullshit prevents the worst misuse of data of EU citizens
- 71bw 2y ago
  And yet I don't see this "misuse" almost ever abroad?
  - croes 2y ago
    Sure? https://www.aclu-wa.org/docs/harms-data-abuse https://www.aclu-wa.org/docs/harms-data-abuse

GranularRecipe 2y ago

I don't know how Google is internally organised, but maybe Google Labs does not have a dedicated legal team. And out of fear for possible legal implications, they just block it in EU. It's quite understandable, because the relevant legislations (AI Act etc) are all very new, not been tested in courts and due to the lack of stare decisis, you can't rely on a uniform application of the law in all jurisdictions, so they just block it. Frustrating, but I prefer they move fast rather than safe. And from their perspective, it means not releasing it in the EU.

ZacnyLos 2y ago
NotebookLM is from Google Labs and was/is available from EU. It's problem with this specific chess project.

PittleyDunkin 2y ago

If this is the future i don't think you're missing much