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Umm, I guess technically it is? We've known about Windows 10 EOL date for a long time now, since it was first released in 2015. Say what you will about Microso

Umm, I guess technically it is? We've known about Windows 10 EOL date for a long time now, since it was first released in 2015. Say what you will about Microsoft, but they have consistently supported Windows for a MINIMUM of 10 years since Windows XP (2001). That's absolutely a solid record when you compare it to the computing half-life of support that other tech companies usually give. Look at Samsung, or even Google. Hell even Apple maxes out at 7.5 years for it's longest supported device.

jazzyjackson 2y ago
I don't recall EOL being acknowledged until quite recently, a quick search brings me to a "confirmation" last year [0]. Not to mention the 2015 evangelism slip up that errantly put on record that Windows 10 would be "the last version of Windows" [1] [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/04/30/microsoft-windows-10-support-ends-no-more-updates-windows-11-upgrade/?utm_source=perplexity https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/04/30/microsof... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/windows-10-to-be-last-version-of-windows/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/window...
- miffy900 2y ago
  They acknowledged the exact date in 2022 just before Windows 11 was released: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-and-education https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows... But even then, what point are you even trying to make? Windows 10, like previous releases before it, when its support end, will mean it was supported for a solid 10 years. I mean, that's a lifetime in tech; 2015 was the iPhone 6s.
  - washadjeffmad 2y ago
    Why do I recall Windows 10 being referred to as "the last version of Windows" because it was supposed to be capable of being supported indefinitely as a rolling release distro? And I'm nitpicking, but each version of Windows 10 was its own release with a lifecycle of 1-2 years, like Ubuntu. We don't say that Arch has been supported for a solid 22 years just because it's been able to be seamlessly upgraded for that long. Also, if most major OS and device vendors provide 7-10 years of security updates, and many of them did that before, is it really that much of a "lifetime" to anyone but the outliers?
    - hulitu 2y ago
      > And I'm nitpicking, but each version of Windows 10 was its own release with a lifecycle of 1-2 years, like Ubuntu. You must be fun at parties. /s Yes you are right. Windows 10 had a lot of releases, more like the old service packs. And Windows 11 seems to follow the same strategy.
      - washadjeffmad 2y ago
        It's a pretty marked divergence from both their previous strategy and from the LTSBs, so I thought it bore a mention. I didn't realize there were explicit EOLs for each release, which I don't remember from the SPs.
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    I wasn't making a point, just contradicting the assertion that we always knew the EOL
deletedie 2y ago
No - Windows 10 was initially pushed as the 'final version' of Windows. MS drove this home by saying 'Windows is a service' at each update. They backtracked once they realised they're losing money by not having the sales bump from numbered upgrades i.e. the sales bump from planned obsolescence
whalesalad 2y ago
It's less about win10 expiring and win11 having such strict hardware requirements as to force you to buy new hardware.

jazzyjackson 2y ago

I don't recall EOL being acknowledged until quite recently, a quick search brings me to a "confirmation" last year [0]. Not to mention the 2015 evangelism slip up that errantly put on record that Windows 10 would be "the last version of Windows" [1] [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/04/30/microsoft-windows-10-support-ends-no-more-updates-windows-11-upgrade/?utm_source=perplexity https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/04/30/microsof... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/windows-10-to-be-last-version-of-windows/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/window...

miffy900 2y ago
They acknowledged the exact date in 2022 just before Windows 11 was released: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-and-education https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows... But even then, what point are you even trying to make? Windows 10, like previous releases before it, when its support end, will mean it was supported for a solid 10 years. I mean, that's a lifetime in tech; 2015 was the iPhone 6s.
- washadjeffmad 2y ago
  Why do I recall Windows 10 being referred to as "the last version of Windows" because it was supposed to be capable of being supported indefinitely as a rolling release distro? And I'm nitpicking, but each version of Windows 10 was its own release with a lifecycle of 1-2 years, like Ubuntu. We don't say that Arch has been supported for a solid 22 years just because it's been able to be seamlessly upgraded for that long. Also, if most major OS and device vendors provide 7-10 years of security updates, and many of them did that before, is it really that much of a "lifetime" to anyone but the outliers?
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > And I'm nitpicking, but each version of Windows 10 was its own release with a lifecycle of 1-2 years, like Ubuntu. You must be fun at parties. /s Yes you are right. Windows 10 had a lot of releases, more like the old service packs. And Windows 11 seems to follow the same strategy.
    - washadjeffmad 2y ago
      It's a pretty marked divergence from both their previous strategy and from the LTSBs, so I thought it bore a mention. I didn't realize there were explicit EOLs for each release, which I don't remember from the SPs.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  I wasn't making a point, just contradicting the assertion that we always knew the EOL

deletedie 2y ago

No - Windows 10 was initially pushed as the 'final version' of Windows. MS drove this home by saying 'Windows is a service' at each update. They backtracked once they realised they're losing money by not having the sales bump from numbered upgrades i.e. the sales bump from planned obsolescence

whalesalad 2y ago

It's less about win10 expiring and win11 having such strict hardware requirements as to force you to buy new hardware.