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Lack of whatever mythical micro-nutrition you speak of in bleached white flour is not going to meaningfully make any difference in folks dietary outcomes. It's

Lack of whatever mythical micro-nutrition you speak of in bleached white flour is not going to meaningfully make any difference in folks dietary outcomes. It's certainly not what is making people fat, or what is making them crave to eat too much bread.

bobthepanda 2y ago
the root cause, at least for bread, is pretty simple; US supermarket bread has a lot more sugar than freshly baked bread, because sugar is a preservative.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  most definitely not. sugar doesn’t even make top-10 list
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    Not saying it’s the top ten ingredients of supermarket bread but it certainly has more added sugar than homemade bread
  - pbazarnik 2y ago
    Subway "bread" had too much sugar to be classified as a bread in Ireland https://www.npr.org/2020/10/03/919831116/irish-court-rules-subway-bread-is-not-real-bread https://www.npr.org/2020/10/03/919831116/irish-court-rules-s...
- Kirby64 2y ago
  You’d be wrong about that, though. Wonder bread white has 140 calories, 1.5g of fat, 5g of protein, and 29g of carbs for two slices. 5g of claimed added sugar. In comparison, a recipe I’ve used to make very good white bread (the zojirushi recipe for their bread maker, for reference) has, for an equivalent weight of bread: 137 calories, 2.2g of fat, 3.9g of protein, and 24.8g of carbs. The recipe has roughly 2.5g of “added sugar” per that bread weight. I wouldn’t consider 4g more of carbs per equivalent weight, or 2.5g more sugar, to be a “lot” more sugar.
  - bobthepanda 2y ago
    I mean, that’s double the added sugar. The US recommends only 50g of added sugar per day. And you’re generally not eating only two slices of bread; in the US breakfast mainstay that is peanut butter and jelly, both the peanut butter and jelly also usually have sugar.
    - Kirby64 2y ago
      > And you’re generally not eating only two slices of bread; Aren't you? What meal typically has more than 2 slices of bread? A sandwich is two. Breakfast meals where toast is used is typically 2 slices. And, if we limit ourselves to the 50g of added sugar a day, I'd say 10% of that for a component of one meal is pretty reasonable.
      - quacksilver 2y ago
        I was regularly eating around 8 to 10 thick slices per day of bread at one point * 4 for breakfast as toast * 4 for lunch to make 2 sandwiches (1 sandwich would be too small and I would be hungry all afternoon) * sometimes another 2 with soup or an evening snack.
        Kirby64 2y ago
        I think that speaks more to your diet than anything else. Regardless of the amount of added sugar, that’s an absurd amount of carbs to be getting just from bread and cannot be particularly healthy, no matter the type of bread.
        marssaxman 2y ago
        That is a surprising assertion, given that eating the majority of one's calories in the form of bread was the normal human experience for thousands of years - practically since the beginning of agriculture - throughout Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa! "Give us this day our daily bread", the old prayer goes: because bread was food, and everything else was accompaniment.
- vlod 2y ago
  I can't eat supermarket bread for that reason. I didn't grow up in the US and find the bread here too sweet. (i.e. any added sugar) I bake my own bread (can't remember the last time I bought some) without sugar. You don't need sugar if you use sourdough starter with an overnight fermentation in the fridge.

bobthepanda 2y ago

the root cause, at least for bread, is pretty simple; US supermarket bread has a lot more sugar than freshly baked bread, because sugar is a preservative.

bdangubic 2y ago
most definitely not. sugar doesn’t even make top-10 list
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  Not saying it’s the top ten ingredients of supermarket bread but it certainly has more added sugar than homemade bread
- pbazarnik 2y ago
  Subway "bread" had too much sugar to be classified as a bread in Ireland https://www.npr.org/2020/10/03/919831116/irish-court-rules-subway-bread-is-not-real-bread https://www.npr.org/2020/10/03/919831116/irish-court-rules-s...
Kirby64 2y ago
You’d be wrong about that, though. Wonder bread white has 140 calories, 1.5g of fat, 5g of protein, and 29g of carbs for two slices. 5g of claimed added sugar. In comparison, a recipe I’ve used to make very good white bread (the zojirushi recipe for their bread maker, for reference) has, for an equivalent weight of bread: 137 calories, 2.2g of fat, 3.9g of protein, and 24.8g of carbs. The recipe has roughly 2.5g of “added sugar” per that bread weight. I wouldn’t consider 4g more of carbs per equivalent weight, or 2.5g more sugar, to be a “lot” more sugar.
- bobthepanda 2y ago
  I mean, that’s double the added sugar. The US recommends only 50g of added sugar per day. And you’re generally not eating only two slices of bread; in the US breakfast mainstay that is peanut butter and jelly, both the peanut butter and jelly also usually have sugar.
  - Kirby64 2y ago
    > And you’re generally not eating only two slices of bread; Aren't you? What meal typically has more than 2 slices of bread? A sandwich is two. Breakfast meals where toast is used is typically 2 slices. And, if we limit ourselves to the 50g of added sugar a day, I'd say 10% of that for a component of one meal is pretty reasonable.
    - quacksilver 2y ago
      I was regularly eating around 8 to 10 thick slices per day of bread at one point * 4 for breakfast as toast * 4 for lunch to make 2 sandwiches (1 sandwich would be too small and I would be hungry all afternoon) * sometimes another 2 with soup or an evening snack.
      - Kirby64 2y ago
        I think that speaks more to your diet than anything else. Regardless of the amount of added sugar, that’s an absurd amount of carbs to be getting just from bread and cannot be particularly healthy, no matter the type of bread.
        marssaxman 2y ago
        That is a surprising assertion, given that eating the majority of one's calories in the form of bread was the normal human experience for thousands of years - practically since the beginning of agriculture - throughout Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa! "Give us this day our daily bread", the old prayer goes: because bread was food, and everything else was accompaniment.
vlod 2y ago
I can't eat supermarket bread for that reason. I didn't grow up in the US and find the bread here too sweet. (i.e. any added sugar) I bake my own bread (can't remember the last time I bought some) without sugar. You don't need sugar if you use sourdough starter with an overnight fermentation in the fridge.