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This sort of question should not need to be answered, or raised. Carrying a lot of money around should not be grounds for suspicion.

by pcl 2y ago

rwmj 2y ago
Should the police take the money without cause? No. Can we question what he was up to? Yes. It's risky, as cash can be stolen from you with no recourse. It's also a very inconvenient way to pay someone, since it's physically large and would take a long time to count out.
- lanthade 2y ago
  I think you are vastly over estimating the size of 80K USD in $100 bills. Each bundle of $10K is about 1/2” thick. You can easily carry 80K in 100’s without looking out of place.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    It'll fit comfortably in a shoebox.
tptacek 2y ago
No, I think raising the question is just fine: if you tell a story about someone carrying more money than most Americans ever have in their bank accounts in their entire lives, in cash, on their person, you're describing something extraordinarily unusual. Again: I'm not saying he's a heroin dealer, and I said that specific to avoid this pointless preening about how it's everyone's right to carry large amounts of cash on them. Sure, I'm fine with that; in fact: I think you will find it difficult to find anyone to take the other side of that argument on HN (and HN is a big, complicated place, giving you some idea of just how banal that argument is.) So let's assume that's not what I'm talking about. If it helps, though this isn't really my intent, assume my subtextual allegation is that this story is copypasta.
- alasdair_ 2y ago
  >if you tell a story about someone carrying more money than most Americans ever have in their bank accounts in their entire lives, in cash, on their person, you're describing something extraordinarily unusual. I used to play poker semi-professionally. Traveling with upwards of $50k wasn't an uncommon thing at all among the people I knew. I knew a card counter who was detained at an airport carrying well in excess of $100k and, comically, the money and the inside of his bag were covered in white powder at the time. Because he was a nerdy jewish kid, they believed his story that it was powdered caffeine (it actually was) and sent him on his way.
- UncleMeat 2y ago
  There's a rather famous court case about civil asset forfeiture involving somebody who had just closed on their house for cash. Cops stopped the car, decided the money was dirty, stole it. Carrying a ton of cash is unusual, but does really happen.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Yes: this definitely happens. I'm not making a broader argument about the legitimacy of civil asset forfeiture.
    - UncleMeat 2y ago
      The key point in my comment is "closed on their house for cash." It isn't unheard of to carry around such a massive pile of cash even if you aren't a drug dealer.
      - mikeyouse 2y ago
        The end of this particular story was "charged with several felonies, plead guilty and received probation" so it's safe to assume this cash wasn't a civil asset forfeiture, and certainly wasn't from the sale of a house.
        2y ago
leptons 2y ago
Sure, people carry around cash all the time, there isn't a problem with that - but carrying around $80,000 in cash is highly unusual. It's not something normally done. I don't know anyone who would travel with that kind of cash because it could be stolen, by cops or by anyone. When receiving a large amount of cash for a legitimate sale of something, or other kind of legit transaction taking place, the first thing most people would probably think to do is to go to their bank branch in the local area and deposit the money ASAP, and then get on the train. Large deposits are tracked, I think you have to fill out a form, so maybe he just didn't want to have the tax man look at what's going on (points to possibly shady dealings). The fact is that walking around with $80,000 in cash is a huge risk (unless you're a billionaire - but then you're probably not taking a train), it's not something most people would typically do. It appears a bit shady without OP giving any other details. He claims it wasn't for heroin, but what if he's purposely omitting that it was actually for cocaine. I'd like to know more about OP's story, but I doubt we'll get any answers.
- ssl-3 2y ago
  Hanging out on HN and arguing in favor of the gestapo is unusual. Shall we send them over to your place next, so they can tell you what exactly you have to hide?
  - namaria 2y ago
    When I see these kinds of arguments I realize how important and how fragile the rule of law is. People jump to conclusions very readily and are easy to whip into a frenzy by malicious authorities.
  - leptons 2y ago
    You're trolling - I never "argued in favor of the gestapo". I specifically called out the reason why it's not great to carry around $80,000 in cash is that anyone can steal that cash from you if you're carrying it around, not just "the gestapo".
    - ssl-3 2y ago
pseingatl 2y ago
Not sure about that. If he took the money out of a bank, there are forms to be filed. If he received it from someone in a trade or business, there are forms to be filed. If he found it and was on the way to the bank to deposit it, there are forms to be filed. The money didn't magically appear in his pockets.
- voltaireodactyl 2y ago
  Which forms are legally required to have on file whilst traveling to the bank to deposit it?

This sort of question should not need to be answered, or raised. Carrying a lot of money around should not be grounds for suspicion.

by pcl 2y ago

This sort of question should not need to be answered, or raised. Carrying a lot of money around should not be grounds for suspicion.

rwmj 2y ago

Should the police take the money without cause? No. Can we question what he was up to? Yes. It's risky, as cash can be stolen from you with no recourse. It's also a very inconvenient way to pay someone, since it's physically large and would take a long time to count out.

lanthade 2y ago
I think you are vastly over estimating the size of 80K USD in $100 bills. Each bundle of $10K is about 1/2” thick. You can easily carry 80K in 100’s without looking out of place.
- tptacek 2y ago
  It'll fit comfortably in a shoebox.

tptacek 2y ago

No, I think raising the question is just fine: if you tell a story about someone carrying more money than most Americans ever have in their bank accounts in their entire lives, in cash, on their person, you're describing something extraordinarily unusual. Again: I'm not saying he's a heroin dealer, and I said that specific to avoid this pointless preening about how it's everyone's right to carry large amounts of cash on them. Sure, I'm fine with that; in fact: I think you will find it difficult to find anyone to take the other side of that argument on HN (and HN is a big, complicated place, giving you some idea of just how banal that argument is.) So let's assume that's not what I'm talking about. If it helps, though this isn't really my intent, assume my subtextual allegation is that this story is copypasta.

alasdair_ 2y ago
>if you tell a story about someone carrying more money than most Americans ever have in their bank accounts in their entire lives, in cash, on their person, you're describing something extraordinarily unusual. I used to play poker semi-professionally. Traveling with upwards of $50k wasn't an uncommon thing at all among the people I knew. I knew a card counter who was detained at an airport carrying well in excess of $100k and, comically, the money and the inside of his bag were covered in white powder at the time. Because he was a nerdy jewish kid, they believed his story that it was powdered caffeine (it actually was) and sent him on his way.
UncleMeat 2y ago
There's a rather famous court case about civil asset forfeiture involving somebody who had just closed on their house for cash. Cops stopped the car, decided the money was dirty, stole it. Carrying a ton of cash is unusual, but does really happen.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Yes: this definitely happens. I'm not making a broader argument about the legitimacy of civil asset forfeiture.
  - UncleMeat 2y ago
    The key point in my comment is "closed on their house for cash." It isn't unheard of to carry around such a massive pile of cash even if you aren't a drug dealer.
    - mikeyouse 2y ago
      The end of this particular story was "charged with several felonies, plead guilty and received probation" so it's safe to assume this cash wasn't a civil asset forfeiture, and certainly wasn't from the sale of a house.
      - 2y ago

leptons 2y ago

Sure, people carry around cash all the time, there isn't a problem with that - but carrying around $80,000 in cash is highly unusual. It's not something normally done. I don't know anyone who would travel with that kind of cash because it could be stolen, by cops or by anyone. When receiving a large amount of cash for a legitimate sale of something, or other kind of legit transaction taking place, the first thing most people would probably think to do is to go to their bank branch in the local area and deposit the money ASAP, and then get on the train. Large deposits are tracked, I think you have to fill out a form, so maybe he just didn't want to have the tax man look at what's going on (points to possibly shady dealings). The fact is that walking around with $80,000 in cash is a huge risk (unless you're a billionaire - but then you're probably not taking a train), it's not something most people would typically do. It appears a bit shady without OP giving any other details. He claims it wasn't for heroin, but what if he's purposely omitting that it was actually for cocaine. I'd like to know more about OP's story, but I doubt we'll get any answers.

ssl-3 2y ago
Hanging out on HN and arguing in favor of the gestapo is unusual. Shall we send them over to your place next, so they can tell you what exactly you have to hide?
- namaria 2y ago
  When I see these kinds of arguments I realize how important and how fragile the rule of law is. People jump to conclusions very readily and are easy to whip into a frenzy by malicious authorities.
- leptons 2y ago
  You're trolling - I never "argued in favor of the gestapo". I specifically called out the reason why it's not great to carry around $80,000 in cash is that anyone can steal that cash from you if you're carrying it around, not just "the gestapo".
  - ssl-3 2y ago

pseingatl 2y ago

Not sure about that. If he took the money out of a bank, there are forms to be filed. If he received it from someone in a trade or business, there are forms to be filed. If he found it and was on the way to the bank to deposit it, there are forms to be filed. The money didn't magically appear in his pockets.

voltaireodactyl 2y ago
Which forms are legally required to have on file whilst traveling to the bank to deposit it?