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Brit here: the idea that "ultra-processed foods" are really bad for you is definitely something that's entered the general consciousness here, but I don't think

Brit here: the idea that "ultra-processed foods" are really bad for you is definitely something that's entered the general consciousness here, but I don't think I know anybody who has any kind of meaningful answer to what "ultra-processed foods" actually are.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
If it couldn't be made outside a factory, it's ultra processed.
- vel0city 2y ago
  At what point does a bakery become a factory?
  - cynicalpeace 2y ago
    I personally would avoid pretty much everything that comes out of a bakery.
    - vel0city 2y ago
      Ok, so when does a butcher shop become a factory? When does a fruit farm become a factory? Is candied bacon an ultra-processed food? And even then, things made in a bakery can be made at home so I don't get how your above standard still makes any sense. Is homemade bread with flour milled at home ultra-processed as well? Candied bacon can be made outside of a factory as well. If so, it's not really a "was it made in a factory" argument now was it?
      - cynicalpeace 2y ago
        Ah yes, the ol' I can't tell a fruit farm from a factory shtick
        mauflows 2y ago
        Uninformed Average Joe here and I'm with GP. If bakeries are out of the question then I'd be questioning fruit and meat shops as well
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        Bakeries load their goods with sugar. Typically you don't mix sugar with meat. Though I think that practice is unfortunately becoming more frequent.
        vel0city 2y ago
        > Typically you don't mix sugar with meat. You're joking right? There's tons of meat dishes with fruit sauces in them dating back thousands of years. It's almost Thanksgiving, think adding cranberries to turkey is really just a product of 1950's marketing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fesenj%C4%81n https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fesenj%C4%81n http://historicalrecipes.blogspot.com/2017/02/patina-de-persicis-dish-of-peaches.html?m=1 http://historicalrecipes.blogspot.com/2017/02/patina-de-pers...
        vel0city 2y ago
        Ah yes, the old completely ignore the question shtick. And yeah, most fruit around me went through various inspection, sorting, washing, labeling, packaging, and potentially even cold storage places that are in big buildings with loads of trucks moving pallets of materials around with loads of automated machines. All things that seem very "factory". What is the final delineation where it goes from some guy in his backyard to a factory operation? And I still ask, is candied bacon still a processed food if I slaughter my own pig and press my own sugar cane? What if I buy a pig belly and cure it myself? What if I get it pre-cured? At what point is my own kitchen a factory? I guess it's the point I get an oven because then I've got the equipment necessary for it to be a bakery and we all know bakeries are off limits too! This guidance you're giving me isn't making much sense.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
  - antihero 2y ago
    You can make bread at home.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      with ultra processed flour and pressed seed oils :)
      - vel0city 2y ago
        What separates "ultra processed" from regular flour? Isn't "regular" flower "ultra processed"? Also, I'm not sure what bread you make at home but when I do make bread at home its pretty much just flour, water, yeast, salt, and maybe a touch of honey. Maybe sometimes some extra herbs or other stuff, but not usually any oil.

cynicalpeace 2y ago

If it couldn't be made outside a factory, it's ultra processed.

vel0city 2y ago
At what point does a bakery become a factory?
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  I personally would avoid pretty much everything that comes out of a bakery.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Ok, so when does a butcher shop become a factory? When does a fruit farm become a factory? Is candied bacon an ultra-processed food? And even then, things made in a bakery can be made at home so I don't get how your above standard still makes any sense. Is homemade bread with flour milled at home ultra-processed as well? Candied bacon can be made outside of a factory as well. If so, it's not really a "was it made in a factory" argument now was it?
    - cynicalpeace 2y ago
      Ah yes, the ol' I can't tell a fruit farm from a factory shtick
      - mauflows 2y ago
        Uninformed Average Joe here and I'm with GP. If bakeries are out of the question then I'd be questioning fruit and meat shops as well
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
        Bakeries load their goods with sugar. Typically you don't mix sugar with meat. Though I think that practice is unfortunately becoming more frequent.
        vel0city 2y ago
        > Typically you don't mix sugar with meat. You're joking right? There's tons of meat dishes with fruit sauces in them dating back thousands of years. It's almost Thanksgiving, think adding cranberries to turkey is really just a product of 1950's marketing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fesenj%C4%81n https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fesenj%C4%81n http://historicalrecipes.blogspot.com/2017/02/patina-de-persicis-dish-of-peaches.html?m=1 http://historicalrecipes.blogspot.com/2017/02/patina-de-pers...
      - vel0city 2y ago
        Ah yes, the old completely ignore the question shtick. And yeah, most fruit around me went through various inspection, sorting, washing, labeling, packaging, and potentially even cold storage places that are in big buildings with loads of trucks moving pallets of materials around with loads of automated machines. All things that seem very "factory". What is the final delineation where it goes from some guy in his backyard to a factory operation? And I still ask, is candied bacon still a processed food if I slaughter my own pig and press my own sugar cane? What if I buy a pig belly and cure it myself? What if I get it pre-cured? At what point is my own kitchen a factory? I guess it's the point I get an oven because then I've got the equipment necessary for it to be a bakery and we all know bakeries are off limits too! This guidance you're giving me isn't making much sense.
        cynicalpeace 2y ago
- antihero 2y ago
  You can make bread at home.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    with ultra processed flour and pressed seed oils :)
    - vel0city 2y ago
      What separates "ultra processed" from regular flour? Isn't "regular" flower "ultra processed"? Also, I'm not sure what bread you make at home but when I do make bread at home its pretty much just flour, water, yeast, salt, and maybe a touch of honey. Maybe sometimes some extra herbs or other stuff, but not usually any oil.