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It is amazing how deep the extent of dictatorship go in South Korea but it is completely shadowed by the North Korea

alephnerd 2y ago
> the extent of dictatorship Draft Dodging is unethical. A draft is a core part of the social contract in plenty of countries, and those who try to evade it are viewed as "freeloading" by the majority. Try draft dodging in Singapore, Israel, or Ukraine as well and see what happens.
- Qem 2y ago
  > Draft Dodging is unethical. For me what seems deeply unethical is that some crooked old politicians/military are able to force young people to kill each other in wars the later had no part in starting.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    > For me what seems deeply unethical is that some crooked old politicians/military are able to force young people to kill each other in wars the later had no part in starting. In countries where drafts are thing, they are a part of the social contract. Rejecting the social contract means rejecting the primacy of that society. Furthermore, most countries that retain a draft have active security threats or are in frozen conflicts that can re-ignite at a moment's notice. By dodging the draft you are essentially freeloading off of the rest of society who did get drafted.
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    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      >By dodging the draft you are essentially freeloading off of the rest of society who did get drafted. The problem I have is with selective enforcement of such social contracts. In case of the conflict, none of the rich or important people and their kids will be on the front line or even take part in the draft, they'll be chilling in US, UK, New Zeeland, Switzerland, Austria, South of Europe, etc, and yet I and every other Joe Schmoe have to go and die or suffer to fulfil my so called "social contract"? They can eat shit. Go to any fancy town in Europe and it's full of the Russian and Ukrainian elites living the good life while the poor people in their countries suffer. It was the same in WW1. All of the European plebs were dying in the trenches while Monaco hosted the hottest party and gambling scene of the European monarchies and elites. Go visit Monaco and see for yourself the history. So until I see the rich people dying in the trenches with the poor, the social contract is a scam and I'll do everything in my power to avoid it since that's what the rich and powerful have always done as that's how they've become rich and powerful in the first place, they never followed the herd. Social contracts are for gullible people to get scammed easier by the ruling class.
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- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Try draft dodging in Singapore, Israel, or Ukraine as well and see what happens. You chill out in Western Europe as a refugee till everything blows over. At least for those from Ukraine.
  - red-iron-pine 2y ago
    there is a very real possibility that Western Europe gets dragged into that conflict, and Putin has said, unequivocally, that he is at war with the West. "you can't be neutral on a moving train"
    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      How do you see that?
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago
  Laws do not define the ethics of a society though. While laws may be informed by ethics, laws are not mutually inclusive or exclusive of one’s cultural ethics. One need simply look at a country’s tax laws to understand the disparity. While I’m unsure of Singapore’s current situation, I know there was a sizable amount of able-bodied men in both Israel and Ukraine who had left, and an underground railroad of sorts sprouted up to help them. To me, that sounds like the ethics of their society are clashing with the geopolitically-driven laws their governments erected.
aneutron 2y ago
I don't understand how you can characterize this as dictatorship. If anything, it's the very normal realization of the representational democracy: The people have voted for representatives, that themselves voted on laws to force everyone to serve, or go to jail. If the people wish to repeal that law, then they should vote for representatives that will repeal this.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  Imperfect democracies exist. How do you change things when none of the candidates you can vote for are representing for what you want?
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> the extent of dictatorship Draft Dodging is unethical. A draft is a core part of the social contract in plenty of countries, and those who try to evade it are viewed as "freeloading" by the majority. Try draft dodging in Singapore, Israel, or Ukraine as well and see what happens.

Qem 2y ago
> Draft Dodging is unethical. For me what seems deeply unethical is that some crooked old politicians/military are able to force young people to kill each other in wars the later had no part in starting.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > For me what seems deeply unethical is that some crooked old politicians/military are able to force young people to kill each other in wars the later had no part in starting. In countries where drafts are thing, they are a part of the social contract. Rejecting the social contract means rejecting the primacy of that society. Furthermore, most countries that retain a draft have active security threats or are in frozen conflicts that can re-ignite at a moment's notice. By dodging the draft you are essentially freeloading off of the rest of society who did get drafted.
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  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    >By dodging the draft you are essentially freeloading off of the rest of society who did get drafted. The problem I have is with selective enforcement of such social contracts. In case of the conflict, none of the rich or important people and their kids will be on the front line or even take part in the draft, they'll be chilling in US, UK, New Zeeland, Switzerland, Austria, South of Europe, etc, and yet I and every other Joe Schmoe have to go and die or suffer to fulfil my so called "social contract"? They can eat shit. Go to any fancy town in Europe and it's full of the Russian and Ukrainian elites living the good life while the poor people in their countries suffer. It was the same in WW1. All of the European plebs were dying in the trenches while Monaco hosted the hottest party and gambling scene of the European monarchies and elites. Go visit Monaco and see for yourself the history. So until I see the rich people dying in the trenches with the poor, the social contract is a scam and I'll do everything in my power to avoid it since that's what the rich and powerful have always done as that's how they've become rich and powerful in the first place, they never followed the herd. Social contracts are for gullible people to get scammed easier by the ruling class.
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Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Try draft dodging in Singapore, Israel, or Ukraine as well and see what happens. You chill out in Western Europe as a refugee till everything blows over. At least for those from Ukraine.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  there is a very real possibility that Western Europe gets dragged into that conflict, and Putin has said, unequivocally, that he is at war with the West. "you can't be neutral on a moving train"
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    How do you see that?
tourmalinetaco 2y ago
Laws do not define the ethics of a society though. While laws may be informed by ethics, laws are not mutually inclusive or exclusive of one’s cultural ethics. One need simply look at a country’s tax laws to understand the disparity. While I’m unsure of Singapore’s current situation, I know there was a sizable amount of able-bodied men in both Israel and Ukraine who had left, and an underground railroad of sorts sprouted up to help them. To me, that sounds like the ethics of their society are clashing with the geopolitically-driven laws their governments erected.

aneutron 2y ago

I don't understand how you can characterize this as dictatorship. If anything, it's the very normal realization of the representational democracy: The people have voted for representatives, that themselves voted on laws to force everyone to serve, or go to jail. If the people wish to repeal that law, then they should vote for representatives that will repeal this.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
Imperfect democracies exist. How do you change things when none of the candidates you can vote for are representing for what you want?
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