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IANAL again, but I don't think they get to do literally anything with your data. The phrase used is "to the extent necessary". For instance, I don't think they

IANAL again, but I don't think they get to do literally anything with your data. The phrase used is "to the extent necessary". For instance, I don't think they could scrape their user data for trade secrets and then sell those to the highest bidder.

ada1981 2y ago
Why not? Isn’t that the essential ethos Microsoft was founded on?
- cudgy 2y ago
  I thought it was founded on Bill Gates’s mommy having strong connections to IBM that allowed little Bill to keep the rights to the source code they paid him to write. And the privileged position of having access to a computer at his school when 99.9% of the population did not.
- genrilz 2y ago
  Because they boxed themselves in with legalese. Companies would definitely switch off Microsoft services if at all possible if the company's lawyers thought their trade secrets were getting sold off. So I think the "as necessary" framing does probably prevent them from doing some things. As I laid out in my other comment, I think training AI in particular is covered under the "improving Microsoft products or services" bit of legalese. I do wonder how companies lawyers will respond to this though. They probably thought of that phrase as just allowing Microsoft employees access to documents to see how Word or other pieces of software were being used, or to fix crashes, etc.
jasonjayr 2y ago
"The funds from the bidder will be invested in to products in order to make a better user experience" /s
- cudgy 2y ago
  Reminds me of “this call will be used for training and quality purposes.”
jagged-chisel 2y ago
Who defines “necessary?” Use of Your Content is Necessary to support Microsoft’s business activities, including, but not limited to, training their AI. There are other laws protecting things like trade secrets and corporate privacy, so it would indeed be foolish for Microsoft to attempt gathering and selling trade secrets. But the wording gives them carte blanche to do anything not already illegal, including using your Most Awesome Word Template in Word’s collection of templates that they distribute to everyone.

ada1981 2y ago

Why not? Isn’t that the essential ethos Microsoft was founded on?

cudgy 2y ago
I thought it was founded on Bill Gates’s mommy having strong connections to IBM that allowed little Bill to keep the rights to the source code they paid him to write. And the privileged position of having access to a computer at his school when 99.9% of the population did not.
genrilz 2y ago
Because they boxed themselves in with legalese. Companies would definitely switch off Microsoft services if at all possible if the company's lawyers thought their trade secrets were getting sold off. So I think the "as necessary" framing does probably prevent them from doing some things. As I laid out in my other comment, I think training AI in particular is covered under the "improving Microsoft products or services" bit of legalese. I do wonder how companies lawyers will respond to this though. They probably thought of that phrase as just allowing Microsoft employees access to documents to see how Word or other pieces of software were being used, or to fix crashes, etc.

jasonjayr 2y ago

"The funds from the bidder will be invested in to products in order to make a better user experience" /s

cudgy 2y ago
Reminds me of “this call will be used for training and quality purposes.”

jagged-chisel 2y ago

Who defines “necessary?” Use of Your Content is Necessary to support Microsoft’s business activities, including, but not limited to, training their AI. There are other laws protecting things like trade secrets and corporate privacy, so it would indeed be foolish for Microsoft to attempt gathering and selling trade secrets. But the wording gives them carte blanche to do anything not already illegal, including using your Most Awesome Word Template in Word’s collection of templates that they distribute to everyone.