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Sadly but true. The latest issue is that the EC would rather see the auto industry fail than to change its climate objectives. It looks like it gotten so bad th

Sadly but true. The latest issue is that the EC would rather see the auto industry fail than to change its climate objectives. It looks like it gotten so bad that Germany started speaking up against emissions goals and most likely would try to block any measures. I don't think Arianne is successful as it relies on traditional technology to launch things into space and they can't be competitive with SpaceX. The EU is the laughing stock of the world: AI regulation is in force, but no single AI company in Europe :)) - just to name one example.

jddj 2y ago
Mistral is french
- clarionbell 2y ago
  True, and in my opinion a proof that Europe has potential to recover. Unfortunately it remains to be seen if they manage to survive oncoming regulator onslaught. I hope they will.
  - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
    The way the current EC is set, fat chance of giving up regulating everything they can regulate.
nope1000 2y ago
Flux (the image generator of xAI) is by Black Forest Labs - a german AI company for example.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  Nice. How much money is it making?
Timwi 2y ago
How is AI regulation a laughing stock in the context of emissions reduction?
- ExoticPearTree 2y ago
  America innovates, Europe regulates and China copies. It was a parallel that in the EU we have regulations for things that there are no successful companies in the field and even if some companies will do AI in Europe, they will not be able to compete globally because they are chained by regulations. And with regulations that do not into account the economic realities, like the slow killing of the auto industry with the push for EVs even if very few people actually want them.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    As an EU citizen I really applaud the AI regulation. And I work on implementing AI too. If we look at how the big social media experiment panned out, polarising society through engagement-driven algorithms, it was important to prevent this happening with AI. The same with adtech which caused too much surveillance. Because it's much harder to put the genie back in the bottle when companies are already heavily relying on it for their business model. We try to steer the industry towards business models that benefit society as well. AI is nice but it's important to make sure it doesn't undermine society as social media certainly has done. And the regulation is not outrageous. It's mostly common sense.
    - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
      I'm also an EU citizen and I very much like to see SkyNet happen. Joke aside, these regulations, however "common sense" they look like, it will make the EU lag behind every other country when the genie comes out of the bottle. So instead of being at the forefront of AI, or close, the EU will be in the last place.
wkat4242 2y ago
Those climate objectives are necessary. Soon we will be spending a lot more on disaster mitigation than we would have on some EV subsidies. If anything the transition is not fast enough. I'm living very close to Valencia with its recent flooding disaster, that it didn't happen here was just a matter of chance. That week alone has cost the country more than 10 billion in damage payments and the actual damage is a lot bigger than that. And that's not even considering the hundreds that were killed. And cars aren't as important here as in the US. I haven't owned or driven one in 7 years. I agree that ariane isn't doing well but it's really niche anyway.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Those climate objectives are necessary. They're worthless if the rest of the world is not on board with you. If you're the only one on board, all you're doing is making your domestic industry uncompetitive and your working class citizens poorer via high energy prices, while the largest polluting nations are destroying the planet further while also getting richer thanks to not giving a crap about the environment and eating away your share of world GDP. What EU is doing is like trying to loose weight by cutting your own legs off calling it a good policy.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    > They're worthless if the rest of the world is not on board with you. Not really. The EU is one of the biggest contributors to climate change. Our change will help. And the rest will have to follow eventually because they are also affected. And they will be in a bigger hurry and it will cost more. > If you're the only one on board, all you're doing is making your domestic industry uncompetitive and your working class citizens poorer via high energy prices, while the largest polluting nations are destroying the planet further while also getting richer thanks to not giving a crap about the environment and eating away your share of world GDP. Also, it's not a race we have to win. Life is not about becoming the richest.
    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      >Also, it's not a race we have to win. Life is not about becoming the richest. It is, if you want to maintain the generous welfare and high standard of living the EU is used to. Where do you think that money comes from, the sky? It comes from having a world dominant economy. Without that, there's no more money for good wages, pensions and welfare and the people won't be happy with that. Otherwise, the EU citizens will either have to be contempt to being poorer, OR, more likely, they'll vote another Austrian painter to power to upset the apple cart.
Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
> The latest issue is that the EC would rather see the auto industry fail than to change its climate objectives. I don't think climate objectives are the problem. The auto industry wants to see them reduced because they want to keep pumping out diesel engine cars, i.e., making us buy obsolete technology while tariffs prevent us from buying cheaper and better foreign EVs. Do you really think that's the path to keeping our auto industry in the long term? If climate objectives were more ambitious and weren't being pushed forward all the time due to industry lobbying, we would probably see more innovation in Europe.
- ExoticPearTree 2y ago
  If diesel is bad, why not just say "make gas powered cars and hybrids only, no more diesel for consumer cars under 3.5T or 7T"? Seems easier than the current agenda.
dukeyukey 2y ago
> AI regulation is in force, but no single AI company in Europe DeepMind (UK)? Mistral AI (France)? ElevenLabs (UK)? Stability AI (UK)?

jddj 2y ago

Mistral is french

clarionbell 2y ago
True, and in my opinion a proof that Europe has potential to recover. Unfortunately it remains to be seen if they manage to survive oncoming regulator onslaught. I hope they will.
- ExoticPearTree 2y ago
  The way the current EC is set, fat chance of giving up regulating everything they can regulate.

nope1000 2y ago

Flux (the image generator of xAI) is by Black Forest Labs - a german AI company for example.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
Nice. How much money is it making?

Timwi 2y ago

How is AI regulation a laughing stock in the context of emissions reduction?

ExoticPearTree 2y ago
America innovates, Europe regulates and China copies. It was a parallel that in the EU we have regulations for things that there are no successful companies in the field and even if some companies will do AI in Europe, they will not be able to compete globally because they are chained by regulations. And with regulations that do not into account the economic realities, like the slow killing of the auto industry with the push for EVs even if very few people actually want them.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  As an EU citizen I really applaud the AI regulation. And I work on implementing AI too. If we look at how the big social media experiment panned out, polarising society through engagement-driven algorithms, it was important to prevent this happening with AI. The same with adtech which caused too much surveillance. Because it's much harder to put the genie back in the bottle when companies are already heavily relying on it for their business model. We try to steer the industry towards business models that benefit society as well. AI is nice but it's important to make sure it doesn't undermine society as social media certainly has done. And the regulation is not outrageous. It's mostly common sense.
  - ExoticPearTree 2y ago
    I'm also an EU citizen and I very much like to see SkyNet happen. Joke aside, these regulations, however "common sense" they look like, it will make the EU lag behind every other country when the genie comes out of the bottle. So instead of being at the forefront of AI, or close, the EU will be in the last place.

wkat4242 2y ago

Those climate objectives are necessary. Soon we will be spending a lot more on disaster mitigation than we would have on some EV subsidies. If anything the transition is not fast enough. I'm living very close to Valencia with its recent flooding disaster, that it didn't happen here was just a matter of chance. That week alone has cost the country more than 10 billion in damage payments and the actual damage is a lot bigger than that. And that's not even considering the hundreds that were killed. And cars aren't as important here as in the US. I haven't owned or driven one in 7 years. I agree that ariane isn't doing well but it's really niche anyway.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Those climate objectives are necessary. They're worthless if the rest of the world is not on board with you. If you're the only one on board, all you're doing is making your domestic industry uncompetitive and your working class citizens poorer via high energy prices, while the largest polluting nations are destroying the planet further while also getting richer thanks to not giving a crap about the environment and eating away your share of world GDP. What EU is doing is like trying to loose weight by cutting your own legs off calling it a good policy.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  > They're worthless if the rest of the world is not on board with you. Not really. The EU is one of the biggest contributors to climate change. Our change will help. And the rest will have to follow eventually because they are also affected. And they will be in a bigger hurry and it will cost more. > If you're the only one on board, all you're doing is making your domestic industry uncompetitive and your working class citizens poorer via high energy prices, while the largest polluting nations are destroying the planet further while also getting richer thanks to not giving a crap about the environment and eating away your share of world GDP. Also, it's not a race we have to win. Life is not about becoming the richest.
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    >Also, it's not a race we have to win. Life is not about becoming the richest. It is, if you want to maintain the generous welfare and high standard of living the EU is used to. Where do you think that money comes from, the sky? It comes from having a world dominant economy. Without that, there's no more money for good wages, pensions and welfare and the people won't be happy with that. Otherwise, the EU citizens will either have to be contempt to being poorer, OR, more likely, they'll vote another Austrian painter to power to upset the apple cart.

Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago

> The latest issue is that the EC would rather see the auto industry fail than to change its climate objectives. I don't think climate objectives are the problem. The auto industry wants to see them reduced because they want to keep pumping out diesel engine cars, i.e., making us buy obsolete technology while tariffs prevent us from buying cheaper and better foreign EVs. Do you really think that's the path to keeping our auto industry in the long term? If climate objectives were more ambitious and weren't being pushed forward all the time due to industry lobbying, we would probably see more innovation in Europe.

ExoticPearTree 2y ago
If diesel is bad, why not just say "make gas powered cars and hybrids only, no more diesel for consumer cars under 3.5T or 7T"? Seems easier than the current agenda.

dukeyukey 2y ago

> AI regulation is in force, but no single AI company in Europe DeepMind (UK)? Mistral AI (France)? ElevenLabs (UK)? Stability AI (UK)?