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I'm obviously not a lawyer, but from what I can see, a project like redis_py is way older than any trademark registration from Redis lab. If I'm not wrong look

I'm obviously not a lawyer, but from what I can see, a project like redis_py is way older than any trademark registration from Redis lab. If I'm not wrong looking at the trademark, database, they have registered them recently (2018,2019, and a lot very recently 2023) in a very predatory move. In my opinion, this usage should be considered legitimate based on prior art or something like that. Anyway, in all case I hope that projects will not give up to this asshole move from redis lab. Maybe it might be possible to rename the project, but also forbid redis lab to use the name of the projects it had targeted. Like a poison pill. I think that it is legitimate for them to consider that an usage of name s like redis_py by Redis would be counterfeiting of well known brand of these projects. In the end, it might be assumed that it is the fault of Redis to have not enforced any copyright or branding on these projects for more than 10 years despite the fact that they couldn't have ignored their existence and success. I'm even quite sure that we can find a publication of Redis lab with how-to use any of these open source projects...

justin66 2y ago
> Anyway, in all case I hope that projects will not give up to this asshole move from redis lab. How much are you willing to pay to finance their attorneys?
- mst 2y ago
  Legal bullying like this does not necessarily indicate a willingness to actually sue. Whether somebody's comfortable finding out is, of course, a different matter.
- greatgib 2y ago
  Probably something up to 50$. Redis lab is not that big as a company so they might not be able to hire top notch lawyers. But regarding the history of free software that is made of individuals fighting the overreach of predatory corporations, I will be very saddened if everyone of all these projects would give up... Maybe the fsf or software conservancy can assist some of the projects if they were to ask it?
  - choilive 2y ago
    > Probably something up to 50$. $50 might get you 5 minutes of an attorneys time. For someone to fight this in court will in the hundreds of hours of billable time. None of these open source client library maintainers is likely going to be able to fund that. > Redis lab is not that big as a company so they might not be able to hire top notch lawyers. Redis is a company with a billion dollar valuation that has raised hundreds of millions of dollars, they can afford good lawyers. Prior art for redis_py clearly belongs to Redis, regardless of when the trademark is actually filed. This is because Redis had to have existed before redis_py.
    - mst 2y ago
      There are organisations like the Software Freedom Conservancy who, even if they themselves can't help, can probably help you try and find somebody who can. I'm not suggesting any particular maintainer *should* decide to fight, or even consider whether they want to try - that's very much up to them - but assuming that fighting is untenable in advance without exploring options is something I'd consider an unnecessarily unfortunate outcome.
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justin66 2y ago

> Anyway, in all case I hope that projects will not give up to this asshole move from redis lab. How much are you willing to pay to finance their attorneys?

mst 2y ago
Legal bullying like this does not necessarily indicate a willingness to actually sue. Whether somebody's comfortable finding out is, of course, a different matter.
greatgib 2y ago
Probably something up to 50$. Redis lab is not that big as a company so they might not be able to hire top notch lawyers. But regarding the history of free software that is made of individuals fighting the overreach of predatory corporations, I will be very saddened if everyone of all these projects would give up... Maybe the fsf or software conservancy can assist some of the projects if they were to ask it?
- choilive 2y ago
  > Probably something up to 50$. $50 might get you 5 minutes of an attorneys time. For someone to fight this in court will in the hundreds of hours of billable time. None of these open source client library maintainers is likely going to be able to fund that. > Redis lab is not that big as a company so they might not be able to hire top notch lawyers. Redis is a company with a billion dollar valuation that has raised hundreds of millions of dollars, they can afford good lawyers. Prior art for redis_py clearly belongs to Redis, regardless of when the trademark is actually filed. This is because Redis had to have existed before redis_py.
  - mst 2y ago
    There are organisations like the Software Freedom Conservancy who, even if they themselves can't help, can probably help you try and find somebody who can. I'm not suggesting any particular maintainer *should* decide to fight, or even consider whether they want to try - that's very much up to them - but assuming that fighting is untenable in advance without exploring options is something I'd consider an unnecessarily unfortunate outcome.
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