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> "neighborhood character" (read: keep out them poors). As somebody who has spent a lot of money to live in a high-value area, not because of an investment in

> "neighborhood character" (read: keep out them poors). As somebody who has spent a lot of money to live in a high-value area, not because of an investment in the property, but to avoid having my family exposed to inappropriate behaviors, yes let's keep out of the poors. Affordable housing doesn't mean it needs to be in the same gated community as expensive housing, or in the same condo building. Economic segregation is not a net societal ill, in fact it's the primary driver for many people to increase their fortunes (myself included) so they can escape the crime and blight that comes from lower class people. My reply might seem incredibly classist, because it is. I don't want my children exposed to public drug usage, petty crime, violence, and other ills that perpetuate any place where the people reside who lack the mental stability, intelligence, or self-control to hold down a professional job. I don't want them seeing this behavior, and I don't want them being pulled into dangerous situations because of the people who are in the community around them. I pay a lot to ensure that doesn't happen, including the choice of school and where we live. I say all this as someone who grew up in a poor family in a bad area and spent my entire life escaping and staying out so I can raise a family in a better circumstance.

nativeit 2y ago
It doesn’t seem incredibly classist. It is incredibly classist. I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but there are all sorts of other -isms that are necessarily involved in class discrimination. Thanks for wearing your cursed opinions on your sleeve anyway.
TulliusCicero 2y ago
> Economic segregation is not a net societal ill, in fact it's the primary driver for many people to increase their fortunes (myself included) so they can escape the crime and blight that comes from lower class people. Thank you for admitting what so many NIMBYs won't: that they're pro-segregation. And let's be clear, calling it economic segregation isn't an exaggeration. The zoning that the US typically has is a form of gated community living enforced by the government. It's designed to separate where people live by class, and people like this poster are entirely for it. Also: > Economic segregation is not a net societal ill It is, actually, because it tends to limit social mobility. People having enormous advantages or disadvantages because of their starting social class is less than great for society. Obviously we can't really eliminate all of that sort of thing, but we definitely don't want the government explicitly pursuing policies to encourage social stratification.
- MisterTea 2y ago
  > Thank you for admitting what so many NIMBYs won't: that they're pro-segregation. Yeah lets go around accusing people of being segregationists because they worked hard to make a better life. Jerk.
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    What do you mean accuse? OP said themselves that they are pro segregation. " Economic segregation is not a net societal ill"
  - TulliusCicero 2y ago
    You seem to be very confused. The person I responded to literally called their own position segregation: > Economic segregation is not a net societal ill They also said their position was classist: > My reply might seem incredibly classist, because it is. Maybe the real jerk is the person who didn't read the replies and threw out insults anyway? In any case, it is literally segregation, just by economics instead of by race. Why am I a jerk for accurately labeling something? If you call people in favor of separate schools by race pro-segregation, does that make you a jerk for "accusing people of being segregationists"?
    - MisterTea 2y ago
      This isn't some racist ideology we're talking about. My overall takeaway from the GP isn't that they are in favor of IMPOSING segregation but that people naturally self segregate according to social strata which influences behavior. Seeing how the GP escaped poverty I can understand their take - they put in the effort to escape while their peers did not. Their peers stay angry and frustrated which leads to taking it out on people around them creating a dangerous and unhealthy environment. So it's hard to look back and care about them when they seemingly don't care about themselves or worse, actively make things worse for others. So of course you're going to stay far away from them and prefer they stay far the hell away from you.
      - 2y ago

nativeit 2y ago

It doesn’t seem incredibly classist. It is incredibly classist. I hate to be the bearer of more bad news, but there are all sorts of other -isms that are necessarily involved in class discrimination. Thanks for wearing your cursed opinions on your sleeve anyway.

TulliusCicero 2y ago

> Economic segregation is not a net societal ill, in fact it's the primary driver for many people to increase their fortunes (myself included) so they can escape the crime and blight that comes from lower class people. Thank you for admitting what so many NIMBYs won't: that they're pro-segregation. And let's be clear, calling it economic segregation isn't an exaggeration. The zoning that the US typically has is a form of gated community living enforced by the government. It's designed to separate where people live by class, and people like this poster are entirely for it. Also: > Economic segregation is not a net societal ill It is, actually, because it tends to limit social mobility. People having enormous advantages or disadvantages because of their starting social class is less than great for society. Obviously we can't really eliminate all of that sort of thing, but we definitely don't want the government explicitly pursuing policies to encourage social stratification.

MisterTea 2y ago
> Thank you for admitting what so many NIMBYs won't: that they're pro-segregation. Yeah lets go around accusing people of being segregationists because they worked hard to make a better life. Jerk.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  What do you mean accuse? OP said themselves that they are pro segregation. " Economic segregation is not a net societal ill"
- TulliusCicero 2y ago
  You seem to be very confused. The person I responded to literally called their own position segregation: > Economic segregation is not a net societal ill They also said their position was classist: > My reply might seem incredibly classist, because it is. Maybe the real jerk is the person who didn't read the replies and threw out insults anyway? In any case, it is literally segregation, just by economics instead of by race. Why am I a jerk for accurately labeling something? If you call people in favor of separate schools by race pro-segregation, does that make you a jerk for "accusing people of being segregationists"?
  - MisterTea 2y ago
    This isn't some racist ideology we're talking about. My overall takeaway from the GP isn't that they are in favor of IMPOSING segregation but that people naturally self segregate according to social strata which influences behavior. Seeing how the GP escaped poverty I can understand their take - they put in the effort to escape while their peers did not. Their peers stay angry and frustrated which leads to taking it out on people around them creating a dangerous and unhealthy environment. So it's hard to look back and care about them when they seemingly don't care about themselves or worse, actively make things worse for others. So of course you're going to stay far away from them and prefer they stay far the hell away from you.
    - 2y ago