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Why did you expect a foreigner who is not from China to realize that they'd be inhibited by the local authorities from doing work they were invited to do by tho

Why did you expect a foreigner who is not from China to realize that they'd be inhibited by the local authorities from doing work they were invited to do by those same local authorities? It's bizarre to think that it's bizarre that a foreigner might merely express some surprise by that.

HPsquared 2y ago
Very common for one branch of a bureaucracy to be at odds with another branch.
- 6510 2y ago
  not necessarily, it might just depend who is asking. You can get a lot done in general by having the right person/party ask for you.
MichaelZuo 2y ago
Which would make sense if it was assumed there were only a few people in the entire bureaucracy… but doesn’t make sense when everyone involved knows, ahead of time, there are millions... Probably thousands even in some random small city. I’m guessing no one on the team had ever coordinated even a thousand people before on some complex legal issue. So it’s just bizarre to suddenly expect anyone capable of that would do so on their behalf and reach out with invitations…
- Symbiote 2y ago
  Not all countries are like China. Other places could have a helpful bureaucracy, or one that ignores the laws, or accepts bribes.
  - MichaelZuo 2y ago
    How does this matter when the country is known ahead of time, and the relevant laws, the details, etc., are all widely known to be nowhere near identical? It’s not like someone could accidentally board a flight to China and clear immigration by happenstance, or without being informed that things may be very different from their home country.
    - Symbiote 2y ago
      They were probably optimistic, incorrectly. It's easy to think everything will work when you have a written guarantee from the government, and have never personally experienced a dysfunctional, authoritarian bureaucracy.
      - MichaelZuo 2y ago
        An invitation from a local official can not be a written guarantee of something beyond them? It’s not even a guarantee of getting the relevant visa in time, that’s true for every big country I know of.

HPsquared 2y ago

Very common for one branch of a bureaucracy to be at odds with another branch.

6510 2y ago
not necessarily, it might just depend who is asking. You can get a lot done in general by having the right person/party ask for you.

MichaelZuo 2y ago

Which would make sense if it was assumed there were only a few people in the entire bureaucracy… but doesn’t make sense when everyone involved knows, ahead of time, there are millions... Probably thousands even in some random small city. I’m guessing no one on the team had ever coordinated even a thousand people before on some complex legal issue. So it’s just bizarre to suddenly expect anyone capable of that would do so on their behalf and reach out with invitations…

Symbiote 2y ago
Not all countries are like China. Other places could have a helpful bureaucracy, or one that ignores the laws, or accepts bribes.
- MichaelZuo 2y ago
  How does this matter when the country is known ahead of time, and the relevant laws, the details, etc., are all widely known to be nowhere near identical? It’s not like someone could accidentally board a flight to China and clear immigration by happenstance, or without being informed that things may be very different from their home country.
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    They were probably optimistic, incorrectly. It's easy to think everything will work when you have a written guarantee from the government, and have never personally experienced a dysfunctional, authoritarian bureaucracy.
    - MichaelZuo 2y ago
      An invitation from a local official can not be a written guarantee of something beyond them? It’s not even a guarantee of getting the relevant visa in time, that’s true for every big country I know of.