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There are many doctors who express problems with the C19 vaccines. In some countries (most notably Japan) there are public hearings and parliament questions. In

by cies 2y ago

There are many doctors who express problems with the C19 vaccines. In some countries (most notably Japan) there are public hearings and parliament questions. In the west it seems this is not allowed. Fauci was close with the EcoHealth Alliance. He tried to hide gain of function research. There are a lot of criticism to this NGO, "including a joint letter signed by 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies." (Wikipedia). To the public Fauci straight up lied by promoting the vaccine as safe and effective, while he did not have the evidence to support that (and most likely did know that pregnant women in the trail had a lot of "spontaneous abortions", but recommended it for pregnant women anyway). While I'd be the last person to defend Elon (he prevented unionization in Tesla, which he so get jail time for imho), I do think that it's time to prosecute Fauci. He seems to have been complicity in the AZT debacle. Sticking it in a pronoun joke is something we should not cry over, it's just a joke.

VMG 2y ago
> and most likely did know that pregnant women in the trail had a lot of "spontaneous abortions" This is incorrect information https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10152171/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10152171/ Pregnant women are at higher risk of getting COVID which is liked to preterm birth
- bondarchuk 2y ago
  That's from 2023.
- tgma 2y ago
  And if you were a scientist who was going to lead a study that could conclude otherwise, Francis & Fauci took extra care to make sure you were less likely to receive NIH funding. https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/05/how-collins-and-fauci-shattered-our-trust-in-public-health/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/05/how-collins-and-fauci...
  - VMG 2y ago
    just look at the table of the studies that were included and the countries where the studies were performed
fabian2k 2y ago
The vaccines worked and saved a lot of lives. There were very rare side effects, and once those were recognized they were addressed in various ways, e.g. by changing the groups that should receive the vaccines. The part about abortions sounds like a blatant conspiracy theory. There are some indications that the rules around gain of function research were not followed in some cases. I certainly think that merits investigating and I'm partial towards prohibiting most gain of function research. Doesn't mean publicly attacking Fauci is any reasonable way of doing this.
- didntcheck 2y ago
  > were very rare side effects, and once those were recognized they were addressed in various ways Such as initially calling it all misinformation, and asking social media to censor it
- mdp2021 2y ago
  > very rare side effects Still in these very days we meet random people who in normal random conversation tell us (as part of other matters) of coincidental devastating effects. How did you make that jump from "paper" to "reality", and hold it with the certainty of "a hedgehog here is vomiting on my shoes"? Do not bring us back to that long epiphany that the "dark ages" are still here, never gone.
  - aeze 2y ago
    > Still in these very days we meet random people who in normal random conversation tell us (as part of other matters) of coincidental devastating effects. You may have. I haven't met anyone who has had any effects other than feeling mildly sick for a day or two afterwards. That's the thing about anecdotal evidence.
- cies 2y ago
  > The part about abortions sounds like a blatant conspiracy theory. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/was-covid-vaccine-safe-pregnant-women https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/was-covid-v... Many countries are stopping the vaccine/booster rollout to the pregnant. They make up funny reasons, but it's safe to consider they know more than we do and simply dont want the data out there. Govts and big pharma really do not want the data to be analyzed. And they should actually most supportive of showing all available data (anonymized obviously). https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350147366/ex-public-servant-has-no-regrets-leaking-health-data https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350147366/ex-public-servan... https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-... It's not a consp theory: the FDA, CDC and big pharma have clearly conspired against us, trying to make the C19 vaccine look better, vilifying everyone who did not want it.

by cies 2y ago

VMG 2y ago

> and most likely did know that pregnant women in the trail had a lot of "spontaneous abortions" This is incorrect information https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10152171/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10152171/ Pregnant women are at higher risk of getting COVID which is liked to preterm birth

bondarchuk 2y ago
That's from 2023.
tgma 2y ago
And if you were a scientist who was going to lead a study that could conclude otherwise, Francis & Fauci took extra care to make sure you were less likely to receive NIH funding. https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/05/how-collins-and-fauci-shattered-our-trust-in-public-health/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/05/how-collins-and-fauci...
- VMG 2y ago
  just look at the table of the studies that were included and the countries where the studies were performed

fabian2k 2y ago

The vaccines worked and saved a lot of lives. There were very rare side effects, and once those were recognized they were addressed in various ways, e.g. by changing the groups that should receive the vaccines. The part about abortions sounds like a blatant conspiracy theory. There are some indications that the rules around gain of function research were not followed in some cases. I certainly think that merits investigating and I'm partial towards prohibiting most gain of function research. Doesn't mean publicly attacking Fauci is any reasonable way of doing this.

didntcheck 2y ago
> were very rare side effects, and once those were recognized they were addressed in various ways Such as initially calling it all misinformation, and asking social media to censor it
mdp2021 2y ago
> very rare side effects Still in these very days we meet random people who in normal random conversation tell us (as part of other matters) of coincidental devastating effects. How did you make that jump from "paper" to "reality", and hold it with the certainty of "a hedgehog here is vomiting on my shoes"? Do not bring us back to that long epiphany that the "dark ages" are still here, never gone.
- aeze 2y ago
  > Still in these very days we meet random people who in normal random conversation tell us (as part of other matters) of coincidental devastating effects. You may have. I haven't met anyone who has had any effects other than feeling mildly sick for a day or two afterwards. That's the thing about anecdotal evidence.
cies 2y ago
> The part about abortions sounds like a blatant conspiracy theory. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/was-covid-vaccine-safe-pregnant-women https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/was-covid-v... Many countries are stopping the vaccine/booster rollout to the pregnant. They make up funny reasons, but it's safe to consider they know more than we do and simply dont want the data out there. Govts and big pharma really do not want the data to be analyzed. And they should actually most supportive of showing all available data (anonymized obviously). https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350147366/ex-public-servant-has-no-regrets-leaking-health-data https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350147366/ex-public-servan... https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-judge-ordered-fda-to-release-covid-19-vaccine-data-pronto https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/why-a-... It's not a consp theory: the FDA, CDC and big pharma have clearly conspired against us, trying to make the C19 vaccine look better, vilifying everyone who did not want it.