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Seems a lot of modern tech is (ab)used for the purpose of perving. I recently visited a gym which seemed very social media oriented (not dissimilar to most gyms

by nomilk 2y ago

Seems a lot of modern tech is (ab)used for the purpose of perving. I recently visited a gym which seemed very social media oriented (not dissimilar to most gyms tbh), but as days went by I gathered the impression something weird was going on. I ended up suspecting (but having absolutely no evidence) that the owner or staff was using the cameras to spy on members. Further oddities exist in the reviews for the place, which includes staff walking into the change rooms (of the opposite sex) with naked people there. That's a really long/specific way of saying: wildlife cameras spying on Indian women is an instance of a more general problem. I feel like plausible deniability (e.g. security/monitoring) is so easy that discovering and alleging wrong-doing would be met with little more than shrugging of shoulders.

fsckboy 2y ago
>I feel like plausible deniability...is so easy that discovering and alleging wrong-doing would be met with little more than shrugging of shoulders. it was not met with shrugs FTA: Young men appointed as temporary forest workers shared the photo on local Whatsapp and Facebook groups to "shame the woman," Simlai said. "We broke and set fire to every camera trap we could find after the daughter of our village was humiliated in such a brazen way," one local told the researchers.
- nomilk 2y ago
  > it was not met with shrugs That's good news in this instance but not in the case of cameras in gyms and many other cases, unfortunately.
averageRoyalty 2y ago
What solution do you propose for private businesses? Having cameras is sensible, if not a must. People are abusive, burglars break in, staff steal, etc.
- casey2 2y ago
  You clearly didn't read the associated paper. Employees stealing from a business is a far better outcome than letting people with power abuse it. Worst case in the former: A business fails. Bad case in the later: The business succeeds and perpetuates it's abusive practices Worst case in the later: mass genocide and the total extinction of the human race.
  - averageRoyalty 2y ago
    The person whose story I was replying to did not link a paper. What about the most likely case - people use the cameras for their intended purpose and life continues on as normal?
- nomilk 2y ago
  I don't have a solution (and would be mindful any 'solution' could be unreasonably burdensome, unenforceable, or have unintended consequences). I just point out that the past couple of decades have seen a dramatic change how easy it is for people to be spied on, often in sensitive environments and unbeknown to them.
- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  You can install cameras in a way that you only film the parts relevant for potential break ins. In my country this is demanded by law. So not directing cameras on public streets or other properties. Aside from that, camera necessity isn't real, affordable cameras for mass deployment are perhaps not recent, but there certainly were other ways in the past to handle crime.
  - averageRoyalty 2y ago
    There are other ways than motorised vehicles to travel between cities too, however they're inefficient. Cameras are an incredibly good way to handle crime. Modern cameras have excellent object detection, can notify on unexpected movements in zones, and often come with backup batteries and offline storage. Many can read numberplates in the dark, and many crimes are solved by a neighbours camera catching a car driving off from the crime scene. The context here is around a boss potentiall watching their employee via camera (with lewd inference). Directing cameras internal to the business wouldn't change this issue.
gadders 2y ago
>>Further oddities exist in the reviews for the place, which includes staff walking into the change rooms (of the opposite sex) with naked people there. Unless it was a one-off error, that is the reddest of red flags.
akudha 2y ago
I remember reading that camera phones sold in Japan are required by law to make shutter sound while taking photos. There was another report from South Korea on hidden cameras in women’s restrooms. This whole thing is beyond disgusting, I say this as a male. This seems like a problem in many countries. I don’t think this problem can be fixed with stricter laws. Not that we shouldn’t try, but I wonder how effective it would be. We should raise boys to be better men. Across the world, right wingers are coming to power, this is not good for women. Then there are shitheads like Andrew Tate who have a big following among boys and young men. This whole thing is just depressing.

by nomilk 2y ago

fsckboy 2y ago

>I feel like plausible deniability...is so easy that discovering and alleging wrong-doing would be met with little more than shrugging of shoulders. it was not met with shrugs FTA: Young men appointed as temporary forest workers shared the photo on local Whatsapp and Facebook groups to "shame the woman," Simlai said. "We broke and set fire to every camera trap we could find after the daughter of our village was humiliated in such a brazen way," one local told the researchers.

nomilk 2y ago
> it was not met with shrugs That's good news in this instance but not in the case of cameras in gyms and many other cases, unfortunately.

averageRoyalty 2y ago

What solution do you propose for private businesses? Having cameras is sensible, if not a must. People are abusive, burglars break in, staff steal, etc.

casey2 2y ago
You clearly didn't read the associated paper. Employees stealing from a business is a far better outcome than letting people with power abuse it. Worst case in the former: A business fails. Bad case in the later: The business succeeds and perpetuates it's abusive practices Worst case in the later: mass genocide and the total extinction of the human race.
- averageRoyalty 2y ago
  The person whose story I was replying to did not link a paper. What about the most likely case - people use the cameras for their intended purpose and life continues on as normal?
nomilk 2y ago
I don't have a solution (and would be mindful any 'solution' could be unreasonably burdensome, unenforceable, or have unintended consequences). I just point out that the past couple of decades have seen a dramatic change how easy it is for people to be spied on, often in sensitive environments and unbeknown to them.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
You can install cameras in a way that you only film the parts relevant for potential break ins. In my country this is demanded by law. So not directing cameras on public streets or other properties. Aside from that, camera necessity isn't real, affordable cameras for mass deployment are perhaps not recent, but there certainly were other ways in the past to handle crime.
- averageRoyalty 2y ago
  There are other ways than motorised vehicles to travel between cities too, however they're inefficient. Cameras are an incredibly good way to handle crime. Modern cameras have excellent object detection, can notify on unexpected movements in zones, and often come with backup batteries and offline storage. Many can read numberplates in the dark, and many crimes are solved by a neighbours camera catching a car driving off from the crime scene. The context here is around a boss potentiall watching their employee via camera (with lewd inference). Directing cameras internal to the business wouldn't change this issue.

gadders 2y ago

>>Further oddities exist in the reviews for the place, which includes staff walking into the change rooms (of the opposite sex) with naked people there. Unless it was a one-off error, that is the reddest of red flags.

akudha 2y ago

I remember reading that camera phones sold in Japan are required by law to make shutter sound while taking photos. There was another report from South Korea on hidden cameras in women’s restrooms. This whole thing is beyond disgusting, I say this as a male. This seems like a problem in many countries. I don’t think this problem can be fixed with stricter laws. Not that we shouldn’t try, but I wonder how effective it would be. We should raise boys to be better men. Across the world, right wingers are coming to power, this is not good for women. Then there are shitheads like Andrew Tate who have a big following among boys and young men. This whole thing is just depressing.