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Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic, by definition as it doesnt involve contempt or hate of women, sex workers have a voice too and don’t want to be marginali

Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic, by definition as it doesnt involve contempt or hate of women, sex workers have a voice too and don’t want to be marginalized by that assumption or dilution of that word Just a view I see lacking and underrepresented in tech spaces But if there are other things you’re referring to with that governor then definitely mention those, separately

automatic6131 2y ago
>Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars. I - personally - think buying sex is bad, and degrading to both parties.
- ChoHag 2y ago
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- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars Who are those "leading scholars" and what gives them authority to be the judge what consenting adults do with their body for a living or for entertainment?
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    What gives anyone authority either way to say whether something is degrading? It comes down to consensus in practice.
    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      Exactly. Random people should stop trying to play "morality police" on consenting adults engaging in legal activities in their own private spaces in their private time. It's none of your concern what other people do.
      - vjk800 2y ago
        By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others. Throughout most of the history, and to many people even now, morality extends beyond what's observable to outsiders. See e.g. what most of the religions have to say on issues such as homosexuality or eating certain foods. I'm not saying I have the right answer to all of this either, I'm just pointing out that your "morally neutral" stance isn't as neutral as you'd like to think.
        Cumpiler69 2y ago
        >By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others Only in mental gymnastics. Staying out of other people's private lives is not a question of my own morality but also the law in most western democracies. I am free to do whatever I want as long as my freedom doesn't negatively affect anyone else. If you're not affected by what I'm doing in private, why are you trying to involve yourself in it and act as a judge?
        ben_w 2y ago
        You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing, specifically the act of telling others what to do. You're allowed to do that, and we're allowed to point out that this doesn't work in practice and that the failure in practice is itself why we're not surprised or even upset about the hypocrisy.
        Cumpiler69 2y ago
        >You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing Telling people to respect the privacy you're awarded by law is nto telling them what to do.
        ben_w 2y ago
        Yeah it is. It literally is. The laws themselves were written to tell people what to do. That's why they come with actual punishments if you break them, not merely arguements like on the internet. And some of those laws do actually ban various acts associated with prostitution, though the stated reasons for such laws are also often out of sync with the consequences given what is easiest to prosecute.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  I actually know people who have worked in various different professions in the sex industry and it really depends on an individual to individual basis just how “degrading” it is. There are obviously people who are exploited. So those instances should be treated with the full severity of the law. However there are genuinely others who enjoy the work and find it more empowering than degrading. So it’s not just an industry full of stereotypical sleaze bags exploiting vulnerable women. I’m not making an argument for nor against sex work here by the way. Just saying that you cannot treat this kind of topic with Boolean arguments like you have done. It’s a hell of a lot more complex than that. In my opinion what we really should be doing is spending more time making this industry safer for those that choose it, rather than pretending it can be eradicated and thus pushing it into dark corners where vulnerable individuals cannot be kept safe.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
    Agreed. Also know a number of ex-sex workers. Some have truly horrific stories, like being gang-raped at age 12, and forced into a lifetime of prostitution. Others, actually chose the work, and did well. Then, there’s trafficking, which is often a nightmare situation. Not all the victims (or volunteers) are women, either. I think that the fact the profession is often illegal, makes things considerably worse, all around. It pretty much guarantees that bad guys/gals will be running things, and there will be no oversight.
    - voidfunc 2y ago
      Also have known a number of sex workers. Some were just part time dominatrixes, some full time anything goes girls. Most enjoyed the work. I think all were voluntary? Few last in it long-term. The ones that do often legitimize into doing fetish content videos and VIP escort services as they get older or they keep a small set of good clients. All of them also acknowledged it is a dangerous trade with plenty of horror stories.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  Interestingly, none of that fits the definition of misogynistic
ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
I don’t think it had that much to do with the hookers. I think a bunch of other behavior came to light, during the ensuing brouhaha.
BadHumans 2y ago
Buying sex doesn't make you a misogynist but misogynist can and often do buy sex.
binary132 2y ago
actually I see this opinion every time I read comments on any article even remotely touching on the subject in a tech forum.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  great, representation matters

automatic6131 2y ago

>Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars. I - personally - think buying sex is bad, and degrading to both parties.

ChoHag 2y ago
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Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars Who are those "leading scholars" and what gives them authority to be the judge what consenting adults do with their body for a living or for entertainment?
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  What gives anyone authority either way to say whether something is degrading? It comes down to consensus in practice.
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    Exactly. Random people should stop trying to play "morality police" on consenting adults engaging in legal activities in their own private spaces in their private time. It's none of your concern what other people do.
    - vjk800 2y ago
      By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others. Throughout most of the history, and to many people even now, morality extends beyond what's observable to outsiders. See e.g. what most of the religions have to say on issues such as homosexuality or eating certain foods. I'm not saying I have the right answer to all of this either, I'm just pointing out that your "morally neutral" stance isn't as neutral as you'd like to think.
      - Cumpiler69 2y ago
        >By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others Only in mental gymnastics. Staying out of other people's private lives is not a question of my own morality but also the law in most western democracies. I am free to do whatever I want as long as my freedom doesn't negatively affect anyone else. If you're not affected by what I'm doing in private, why are you trying to involve yourself in it and act as a judge?
        ben_w 2y ago
        You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing, specifically the act of telling others what to do. You're allowed to do that, and we're allowed to point out that this doesn't work in practice and that the failure in practice is itself why we're not surprised or even upset about the hypocrisy.
        Cumpiler69 2y ago
        >You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing Telling people to respect the privacy you're awarded by law is nto telling them what to do.
        ben_w 2y ago
        Yeah it is. It literally is. The laws themselves were written to tell people what to do. That's why they come with actual punishments if you break them, not merely arguements like on the internet. And some of those laws do actually ban various acts associated with prostitution, though the stated reasons for such laws are also often out of sync with the consequences given what is easiest to prosecute.
hnlmorg 2y ago
I actually know people who have worked in various different professions in the sex industry and it really depends on an individual to individual basis just how “degrading” it is. There are obviously people who are exploited. So those instances should be treated with the full severity of the law. However there are genuinely others who enjoy the work and find it more empowering than degrading. So it’s not just an industry full of stereotypical sleaze bags exploiting vulnerable women. I’m not making an argument for nor against sex work here by the way. Just saying that you cannot treat this kind of topic with Boolean arguments like you have done. It’s a hell of a lot more complex than that. In my opinion what we really should be doing is spending more time making this industry safer for those that choose it, rather than pretending it can be eradicated and thus pushing it into dark corners where vulnerable individuals cannot be kept safe.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  Agreed. Also know a number of ex-sex workers. Some have truly horrific stories, like being gang-raped at age 12, and forced into a lifetime of prostitution. Others, actually chose the work, and did well. Then, there’s trafficking, which is often a nightmare situation. Not all the victims (or volunteers) are women, either. I think that the fact the profession is often illegal, makes things considerably worse, all around. It pretty much guarantees that bad guys/gals will be running things, and there will be no oversight.
  - voidfunc 2y ago
    Also have known a number of sex workers. Some were just part time dominatrixes, some full time anything goes girls. Most enjoyed the work. I think all were voluntary? Few last in it long-term. The ones that do often legitimize into doing fetish content videos and VIP escort services as they get older or they keep a small set of good clients. All of them also acknowledged it is a dangerous trade with plenty of horror stories.
yieldcrv 2y ago
Interestingly, none of that fits the definition of misogynistic

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago

I don’t think it had that much to do with the hookers. I think a bunch of other behavior came to light, during the ensuing brouhaha.

BadHumans 2y ago

Buying sex doesn't make you a misogynist but misogynist can and often do buy sex.

binary132 2y ago

actually I see this opinion every time I read comments on any article even remotely touching on the subject in a tech forum.

yieldcrv 2y ago
great, representation matters