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Here in NY, we had a [very short-term] governor, who used to be the Attorney General, get hoist by his own petard. While AG, he put in place, a monitoring regi

Here in NY, we had a [very short-term] governor, who used to be the Attorney General, get hoist by his own petard. While AG, he put in place, a monitoring regimen, that caught him, as Guv, using state funds to buy hookers and whatnot. For all I know, he might have gotten away with it, if he hadn’t been using state funds. It kinda ripped the lid off a bunch of fairly misogynistic attitudes, though. He didn’t last long, after that.

yieldcrv 2y ago
Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic, by definition as it doesnt involve contempt or hate of women, sex workers have a voice too and don’t want to be marginalized by that assumption or dilution of that word Just a view I see lacking and underrepresented in tech spaces But if there are other things you’re referring to with that governor then definitely mention those, separately
- automatic6131 2y ago
  >Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars. I - personally - think buying sex is bad, and degrading to both parties.
  - ChoHag 2y ago
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  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    >Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars Who are those "leading scholars" and what gives them authority to be the judge what consenting adults do with their body for a living or for entertainment?
    - mensetmanusman 2y ago
      What gives anyone authority either way to say whether something is degrading? It comes down to consensus in practice.
      - Cumpiler69 2y ago
        Exactly. Random people should stop trying to play "morality police" on consenting adults engaging in legal activities in their own private spaces in their private time. It's none of your concern what other people do.
        vjk800 2y ago
        By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others. Throughout most of the history, and to many people even now, morality extends beyond what's observable to outsiders. See e.g. what most of the religions have to say on issues such as homosexuality or eating certain foods. I'm not saying I have the right answer to all of this either, I'm just pointing out that your "morally neutral" stance isn't as neutral as you'd like to think.
        Cumpiler69 2y ago
        >By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others Only in mental gymnastics. Staying out of other people's private lives is not a question of my own morality but also the law in most western democracies. I am free to do whatever I want as long as my freedom doesn't negatively affect anyone else. If you're not affected by what I'm doing in private, why are you trying to involve yourself in it and act as a judge?
        ben_w 2y ago
        You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing, specifically the act of telling others what to do. You're allowed to do that, and we're allowed to point out that this doesn't work in practice and that the failure in practice is itself why we're not surprised or even upset about the hypocrisy.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    I actually know people who have worked in various different professions in the sex industry and it really depends on an individual to individual basis just how “degrading” it is. There are obviously people who are exploited. So those instances should be treated with the full severity of the law. However there are genuinely others who enjoy the work and find it more empowering than degrading. So it’s not just an industry full of stereotypical sleaze bags exploiting vulnerable women. I’m not making an argument for nor against sex work here by the way. Just saying that you cannot treat this kind of topic with Boolean arguments like you have done. It’s a hell of a lot more complex than that. In my opinion what we really should be doing is spending more time making this industry safer for those that choose it, rather than pretending it can be eradicated and thus pushing it into dark corners where vulnerable individuals cannot be kept safe.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
      Agreed. Also know a number of ex-sex workers. Some have truly horrific stories, like being gang-raped at age 12, and forced into a lifetime of prostitution. Others, actually chose the work, and did well. Then, there’s trafficking, which is often a nightmare situation. Not all the victims (or volunteers) are women, either. I think that the fact the profession is often illegal, makes things considerably worse, all around. It pretty much guarantees that bad guys/gals will be running things, and there will be no oversight.
      - voidfunc 2y ago
        Also have known a number of sex workers. Some were just part time dominatrixes, some full time anything goes girls. Most enjoyed the work. I think all were voluntary? Few last in it long-term. The ones that do often legitimize into doing fetish content videos and VIP escort services as they get older or they keep a small set of good clients. All of them also acknowledged it is a dangerous trade with plenty of horror stories.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    Interestingly, none of that fits the definition of misogynistic
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  I don’t think it had that much to do with the hookers. I think a bunch of other behavior came to light, during the ensuing brouhaha.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  Buying sex doesn't make you a misogynist but misogynist can and often do buy sex.
- binary132 2y ago
  actually I see this opinion every time I read comments on any article even remotely touching on the subject in a tech forum.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    great, representation matters
Spooky23 2y ago
Nah. A compliance officer at his bank filed a SAR because he was structuring wire transfers to bypass his reporting requirement. He wasn’t using state funds. The Feds started poking around, and voilà. The Southern District of NY US Attorney was a big game hunter for politicians, so his goose was cooked. Ironically, the lieutenant governor who replaced him came out swinging, disclosing that he did inhale, regularly had sex outside of his marriage, did cocaine and various other things. Lol.
- Semaphor 2y ago
  > Ironically, the lieutenant governor who replaced him came out swinging, disclosing that he did inhale, regularly had sex outside of his marriage, did cocaine and various other things. Lol. Hah, how did he do?
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_sca... succeeded as governor by David Paterson, a blind man... nothing says a blind governor can't embezzle funds to spend on prostitutes, but perhaps it's less common? wikip: Paterson launched a campaign for a full term as governor in the 2010 New York gubernatorial election, but he announced on February 26, 2010, that he would bow out of the race. During the final year of his administration, Paterson faced allegations of soliciting improper gifts and making false statements; he was eventually fined in excess of $62,000 for accepting free New York Yankees tickets. He was not charged with perjury. He was succeeded as governor by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo_sexual_harassment_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo_sexual_harassment...

yieldcrv 2y ago

Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic, by definition as it doesnt involve contempt or hate of women, sex workers have a voice too and don’t want to be marginalized by that assumption or dilution of that word Just a view I see lacking and underrepresented in tech spaces But if there are other things you’re referring to with that governor then definitely mention those, separately

automatic6131 2y ago
>Consuming sex work isn’t misogynistic Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars. I - personally - think buying sex is bad, and degrading to both parties.
- ChoHag 2y ago
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- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Something very much up for debate amongst leading scholars Who are those "leading scholars" and what gives them authority to be the judge what consenting adults do with their body for a living or for entertainment?
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    What gives anyone authority either way to say whether something is degrading? It comes down to consensus in practice.
    - Cumpiler69 2y ago
      Exactly. Random people should stop trying to play "morality police" on consenting adults engaging in legal activities in their own private spaces in their private time. It's none of your concern what other people do.
      - vjk800 2y ago
        By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others. Throughout most of the history, and to many people even now, morality extends beyond what's observable to outsiders. See e.g. what most of the religions have to say on issues such as homosexuality or eating certain foods. I'm not saying I have the right answer to all of this either, I'm just pointing out that your "morally neutral" stance isn't as neutral as you'd like to think.
        Cumpiler69 2y ago
        >By stating that people's private business shouldn't concern others, you are also imposing a moral system on others Only in mental gymnastics. Staying out of other people's private lives is not a question of my own morality but also the law in most western democracies. I am free to do whatever I want as long as my freedom doesn't negatively affect anyone else. If you're not affected by what I'm doing in private, why are you trying to involve yourself in it and act as a judge?
        ben_w 2y ago
        You're literally telling other people to stop doing stuff that you don't want them doing, specifically the act of telling others what to do. You're allowed to do that, and we're allowed to point out that this doesn't work in practice and that the failure in practice is itself why we're not surprised or even upset about the hypocrisy.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  I actually know people who have worked in various different professions in the sex industry and it really depends on an individual to individual basis just how “degrading” it is. There are obviously people who are exploited. So those instances should be treated with the full severity of the law. However there are genuinely others who enjoy the work and find it more empowering than degrading. So it’s not just an industry full of stereotypical sleaze bags exploiting vulnerable women. I’m not making an argument for nor against sex work here by the way. Just saying that you cannot treat this kind of topic with Boolean arguments like you have done. It’s a hell of a lot more complex than that. In my opinion what we really should be doing is spending more time making this industry safer for those that choose it, rather than pretending it can be eradicated and thus pushing it into dark corners where vulnerable individuals cannot be kept safe.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
    Agreed. Also know a number of ex-sex workers. Some have truly horrific stories, like being gang-raped at age 12, and forced into a lifetime of prostitution. Others, actually chose the work, and did well. Then, there’s trafficking, which is often a nightmare situation. Not all the victims (or volunteers) are women, either. I think that the fact the profession is often illegal, makes things considerably worse, all around. It pretty much guarantees that bad guys/gals will be running things, and there will be no oversight.
    - voidfunc 2y ago
      Also have known a number of sex workers. Some were just part time dominatrixes, some full time anything goes girls. Most enjoyed the work. I think all were voluntary? Few last in it long-term. The ones that do often legitimize into doing fetish content videos and VIP escort services as they get older or they keep a small set of good clients. All of them also acknowledged it is a dangerous trade with plenty of horror stories.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  Interestingly, none of that fits the definition of misogynistic
ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
I don’t think it had that much to do with the hookers. I think a bunch of other behavior came to light, during the ensuing brouhaha.
BadHumans 2y ago
Buying sex doesn't make you a misogynist but misogynist can and often do buy sex.
binary132 2y ago
actually I see this opinion every time I read comments on any article even remotely touching on the subject in a tech forum.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  great, representation matters

Spooky23 2y ago

Nah. A compliance officer at his bank filed a SAR because he was structuring wire transfers to bypass his reporting requirement. He wasn’t using state funds. The Feds started poking around, and voilà. The Southern District of NY US Attorney was a big game hunter for politicians, so his goose was cooked. Ironically, the lieutenant governor who replaced him came out swinging, disclosing that he did inhale, regularly had sex outside of his marriage, did cocaine and various other things. Lol.

Semaphor 2y ago
> Ironically, the lieutenant governor who replaced him came out swinging, disclosing that he did inhale, regularly had sex outside of his marriage, did cocaine and various other things. Lol. Hah, how did he do?
- fsckboy 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_sca... succeeded as governor by David Paterson, a blind man... nothing says a blind governor can't embezzle funds to spend on prostitutes, but perhaps it's less common? wikip: Paterson launched a campaign for a full term as governor in the 2010 New York gubernatorial election, but he announced on February 26, 2010, that he would bow out of the race. During the final year of his administration, Paterson faced allegations of soliciting improper gifts and making false statements; he was eventually fined in excess of $62,000 for accepting free New York Yankees tickets. He was not charged with perjury. He was succeeded as governor by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo_sexual_harassment_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo_sexual_harassment...