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You should know better than to take the word of an anonymous comment and call it fact. Andrew T. (the guy in question) gave this statement on Reddit: https://ww

by jart 2y ago

You should know better than to take the word of an anonymous comment and call it fact. Andrew T. (the guy in question) gave this statement on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_standards_contributor_expelled_for_the/lys745p/ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1gynl1v/c_stan... The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ What we know is that he was asked to change the title after people complained, and he pushed back on that, knowing it would result in him being kicked out. He views himself as standing up for his moral principles. He also wants the public attention, since he was the one who posted the story to Reddit on /r/cpp. It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with drama like this.

seivan 2y ago
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wakawaka28 2y ago
Why would he not post about his own banishment over such BS? When people feign offense to get their colleagues banned over such innocent words as "question" in the title of a paper, why should anyone bend over and accept such authoritarian influence? Someone has to push back on the tyranny of the crybully. >It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with drama like this. So, these people are indoctrinated to cow in the face of censorship based on insanity. Got it. >The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ Not a word about the insanity expressed in that blog though, huh? Perhaps that is why the dude is being harassed over basic English words all of a sudden? It seems to me that this Andrew fellow is not the one starting drama, and he's refusing to be bullied by people who are dealing in rumors and inventing new thought crimes to charge him with. I wouldn't wish this level of censorship even on people who hate me.
- jart 2y ago
  Most people haven't had any genuine exposure to the cultures that exist on the extreme ends of the political spectrum. You would have to be familiar with them to understand what emotions that dredges up, otherwise you're going to be terribly confused by this. However understanding is not a requisite for diplomatic communication with other cultures. An international standards committee that wants to represent the interests of all groups needs to take this kind of thing seriously. When any group of people complains that's usually enough, although ideally it's better to know them all well enough to avoid this kind of thing in the first place.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    >An international standards committee that wants to represent the interests of all groups needs to take this kind of thing seriously. Perhaps, but perhaps there are times where the "extreme ends of the political spectrum" are actually muckrakers who use feigned offense as a tool for eliminating people they just don't like for petty reasons. People can be offended for any number of reasons but somehow certain arbitrary causes of offense are deemed worthy of action. Political correctness is like a cheat code in the minds of certain people. I don't think the blogger who posted the complaint is actually offended. Although he may appear to be quite neurotic, he fits the profile of an agitator. Such people often claim things are offensive on behalf of demographics that they do not even belong to. This is speculation on my part of course, but I have seen this play out so many times that I'm sick of it.
    - jart 2y ago
      She's very much an agitator. However the C++ leaders aren't trying to avoid offending anyone. They're trying to do something even more difficult which is not making anyone feel uncomfortable. That paper's title makes people think about things they'd rather not think about instead of C++. Normal people would just read it, feel distracted, and then say nothing, which is unfortunate, since I'm sure Andrew would have much preferred to hear it from them instead of being publicly criticized by an activist.
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- CRConrad 2y ago
  > >It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with drama like this. > So, these people are indoctrinated to cow in the face of censorship based on insanity. Got it. Well, apparently they are -- at least according to the GP -- supposed to be indoctrinated to cow in the face of censorship based on insanity.
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seivan 2y ago

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wakawaka28 2y ago

Why would he not post about his own banishment over such BS? When people feign offense to get their colleagues banned over such innocent words as "question" in the title of a paper, why should anyone bend over and accept such authoritarian influence? Someone has to push back on the tyranny of the crybully. >It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with drama like this. So, these people are indoctrinated to cow in the face of censorship based on insanity. Got it. >The rumors surrounding him appear to have originated from https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ https://izzys.casa/2024/11/on-safe-cxx/ Not a word about the insanity expressed in that blog though, huh? Perhaps that is why the dude is being harassed over basic English words all of a sudden? It seems to me that this Andrew fellow is not the one starting drama, and he's refusing to be bullied by people who are dealing in rumors and inventing new thought crimes to charge him with. I wouldn't wish this level of censorship even on people who hate me.

jart 2y ago
Most people haven't had any genuine exposure to the cultures that exist on the extreme ends of the political spectrum. You would have to be familiar with them to understand what emotions that dredges up, otherwise you're going to be terribly confused by this. However understanding is not a requisite for diplomatic communication with other cultures. An international standards committee that wants to represent the interests of all groups needs to take this kind of thing seriously. When any group of people complains that's usually enough, although ideally it's better to know them all well enough to avoid this kind of thing in the first place.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  >An international standards committee that wants to represent the interests of all groups needs to take this kind of thing seriously. Perhaps, but perhaps there are times where the "extreme ends of the political spectrum" are actually muckrakers who use feigned offense as a tool for eliminating people they just don't like for petty reasons. People can be offended for any number of reasons but somehow certain arbitrary causes of offense are deemed worthy of action. Political correctness is like a cheat code in the minds of certain people. I don't think the blogger who posted the complaint is actually offended. Although he may appear to be quite neurotic, he fits the profile of an agitator. Such people often claim things are offensive on behalf of demographics that they do not even belong to. This is speculation on my part of course, but I have seen this play out so many times that I'm sick of it.
  - jart 2y ago
    She's very much an agitator. However the C++ leaders aren't trying to avoid offending anyone. They're trying to do something even more difficult which is not making anyone feel uncomfortable. That paper's title makes people think about things they'd rather not think about instead of C++. Normal people would just read it, feel distracted, and then say nothing, which is unfortunate, since I'm sure Andrew would have much preferred to hear it from them instead of being publicly criticized by an activist.
    - gatorized 2y ago
CRConrad 2y ago
> >It honestly makes me sad to watch a guy who went to Stanford and worked at Apple and Google get involved with drama like this. > So, these people are indoctrinated to cow in the face of censorship based on insanity. Got it. Well, apparently they are -- at least according to the GP -- supposed to be indoctrinated to cow in the face of censorship based on insanity.

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