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The difference in moderation is night and day. Soon after Musk took over, I started having accounts wishing me violent deaths, repeatedly commenting on everyth

by bertil 2y ago

The difference in moderation is night and day. Soon after Musk took over, I started having accounts wishing me violent deaths, repeatedly commenting on everything I said with graphic details (broken bones, poisoning, dragging my body over the pavement, etc.). That happened occasionally before, but they typically got banned. After the takeover, those were gone (and my account got blocked a couple of times for quoting them). That hasn’t happened after a year on BlueSky and Threads. Scams were rampant on large accounts and people looking at cryptocurrencies: more than three-quarters of comments were obvious patterns that I had flagged dozens of times. I noticed those earlier today on Threads; let’s see if they reappear and make up most of the discourse there.

transcriptase 2y ago
What the hell are you doing or saying to warrant that kind of negative attention?
- EasyMark 2y ago
  All you have to be is a proponent of ________ politics, LGBTQ, an opinionated woman, etc and you will receive death/rape threats on twitter. I’m sure 99% of them are bots, but still it can be unnerving. A strong opinion on a contentious topic will get you death threats eventually. That’s why I have DMs turned off and block/mute rather than engage trolls
  - bertil 2y ago
    I don’t even mention any of that.
- bertil 2y ago
  I’ll let you guess. The thing that pisses people off the most is quoting well-known facts and statistics. Ironically, it’s making Elon Musk sound like a hero. The fact that you don’t know and people offer dozens of credible guesses should probably tell you the problem is widespread.
- xena 2y ago
  It's pretty easy to get that kind of vitriol if you say that you want people like you to continue existing.
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    And you say this to people you label not like you. You probably have more in common than you think. You both agree to label the other and you decided to fight a proxy battle from the agreed among identities. Do you want the other side not to exist as well? If yes let them know.
    - virgildotcodes 2y ago
      People defending themselves from bigotry, and bigots themselves, are not equivalent. Black people not wanting racists to exist, and racists not wanting black people to exist, do you see a distinction? There has been such a consistent attempt at ramming square pegs into round holes online in trying to “both sides” a bunch of these issues. One trait is immutable and the other is not. One trait is entirely internally focused and is not defined by a rejection of anyone external to the subject, the other's trait is entirely defined by such an external focus on the rejection of another person's immutable identity.
      - ipaddr 2y ago
        You guess racist? I had a different first guess. Then I had a better second guess. I then had a three and fourth guess. Then I wasn't sure at all. None of them were racism. This becomes a personality test that speaks about who you are and what battles you always see.
        virgildotcodes 2y ago
        Substitute homosexuality, being transgender, or whatever you'd like.
        ipaddr 2y ago
- mulmen 2y ago
  That kind of attention is never warranted.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  I got some of this years back, by offending Milo Yiannopoulis (who apparently used to search his own name for stuff to point his followers at), back when he was still a far-right darling. Took about a day of mass-block-lists to weed the enraged Nazi teenagers out of my at-mentions. That was just a single incident, being noticed by far-right weirdos thankfully not being a regular thing for me. But I can imagine it would get old quickly if you were the sort of person who was. Bluesky’s far superior self-moderation is absolutely very useful here.
lupusreal 2y ago
Man, I wish I could be even a hundredth as effective at pissing people off online. I only piss off boring people I guess.
- moomin 2y ago
  A lot of the hate you get depends not on what you say, but what you are.
  - Aeglaecia 2y ago
    the impact of existence on perception is mediated by group attitudes, which are lessened in influence by anonymity ... my personal maxim is that hatred does vary on what is said and more so by where it is said
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    On the internet, I'm a dog.
ipaddr 2y ago
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- mulmen 2y ago
  > Never had or seen a death threat. Ever wonder if you might be drawing all of that negative attention yourself. It's hard to admit that you might be the problem. This is victim blaming. It’s wrong and it has no place here or anywhere.
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    First you need to identify a victim before you can come to their rescue. Is the parent poster a victim? Are the people he taunts into death threats his victims? Am I a victim of your verbal attack. Are you a victim because you read something and reacted?
    - mulmen 2y ago
      You don’t know what the parent posted. I didn’t attack you. You shared your own irrelevant experience which undermines the experience of being threatened. You then used that irrelevant experience to assume with no information that these threats were deserved. You could have instead asked what was posted and then offered your advice if it was warranted. But what post or posts justify graphic death threats?
      - ipaddr 2y ago
        If I felt you attack me doesn't that make me a victim based on your worldview. You tell me that my opinion is irrelevant because someone who you labelled a victim could be undermined then you do the same thing. You can't have it both ways. You can be a hero saving a victim by creating more victims. What posts justify graphic death threats? In a vacuum none. With context I could think of many examples including: Maybe he is posting death threats himself or perhaps committed a crime to a person in an identity we consider more of a victim. Someone who punches somebody and when they hit them back that person is suddenly the victim? I'm not sure I see the world as black and white as that.
rcpt 2y ago
Right. After the pay-to-play change that boosted Blue Checks to the top of everything it became unusable. No better than going into the local news comment section or Craigslist discussion forums.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  I had some success with a -lot- of training but mostly it’s 10% useful and 90% pure blue check engagement garbage. The following tab is still fine though. I’m pretty selective there and only include software people, science feeds, news orgs, etc that aren’t full of garbage. Also twitter control panel works pretty well delete all blue checks from comment sections.
stiltzkin 2y ago
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by bertil 2y ago

transcriptase 2y ago

What the hell are you doing or saying to warrant that kind of negative attention?

EasyMark 2y ago
All you have to be is a proponent of ________ politics, LGBTQ, an opinionated woman, etc and you will receive death/rape threats on twitter. I’m sure 99% of them are bots, but still it can be unnerving. A strong opinion on a contentious topic will get you death threats eventually. That’s why I have DMs turned off and block/mute rather than engage trolls
- bertil 2y ago
  I don’t even mention any of that.
bertil 2y ago
I’ll let you guess. The thing that pisses people off the most is quoting well-known facts and statistics. Ironically, it’s making Elon Musk sound like a hero. The fact that you don’t know and people offer dozens of credible guesses should probably tell you the problem is widespread.
xena 2y ago
It's pretty easy to get that kind of vitriol if you say that you want people like you to continue existing.
- ipaddr 2y ago
  And you say this to people you label not like you. You probably have more in common than you think. You both agree to label the other and you decided to fight a proxy battle from the agreed among identities. Do you want the other side not to exist as well? If yes let them know.
  - virgildotcodes 2y ago
    People defending themselves from bigotry, and bigots themselves, are not equivalent. Black people not wanting racists to exist, and racists not wanting black people to exist, do you see a distinction? There has been such a consistent attempt at ramming square pegs into round holes online in trying to “both sides” a bunch of these issues. One trait is immutable and the other is not. One trait is entirely internally focused and is not defined by a rejection of anyone external to the subject, the other's trait is entirely defined by such an external focus on the rejection of another person's immutable identity.
    - ipaddr 2y ago
      You guess racist? I had a different first guess. Then I had a better second guess. I then had a three and fourth guess. Then I wasn't sure at all. None of them were racism. This becomes a personality test that speaks about who you are and what battles you always see.
      - virgildotcodes 2y ago
        Substitute homosexuality, being transgender, or whatever you'd like.
        ipaddr 2y ago
mulmen 2y ago
That kind of attention is never warranted.
rsynnott 2y ago
I got some of this years back, by offending Milo Yiannopoulis (who apparently used to search his own name for stuff to point his followers at), back when he was still a far-right darling. Took about a day of mass-block-lists to weed the enraged Nazi teenagers out of my at-mentions. That was just a single incident, being noticed by far-right weirdos thankfully not being a regular thing for me. But I can imagine it would get old quickly if you were the sort of person who was. Bluesky’s far superior self-moderation is absolutely very useful here.

lupusreal 2y ago

Man, I wish I could be even a hundredth as effective at pissing people off online. I only piss off boring people I guess.

moomin 2y ago
A lot of the hate you get depends not on what you say, but what you are.
- Aeglaecia 2y ago
  the impact of existence on perception is mediated by group attitudes, which are lessened in influence by anonymity ... my personal maxim is that hatred does vary on what is said and more so by where it is said
- lupusreal 2y ago
  On the internet, I'm a dog.

ipaddr 2y ago

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mulmen 2y ago
> Never had or seen a death threat. Ever wonder if you might be drawing all of that negative attention yourself. It's hard to admit that you might be the problem. This is victim blaming. It’s wrong and it has no place here or anywhere.
- ipaddr 2y ago
  First you need to identify a victim before you can come to their rescue. Is the parent poster a victim? Are the people he taunts into death threats his victims? Am I a victim of your verbal attack. Are you a victim because you read something and reacted?
  - mulmen 2y ago
    You don’t know what the parent posted. I didn’t attack you. You shared your own irrelevant experience which undermines the experience of being threatened. You then used that irrelevant experience to assume with no information that these threats were deserved. You could have instead asked what was posted and then offered your advice if it was warranted. But what post or posts justify graphic death threats?
    - ipaddr 2y ago
      If I felt you attack me doesn't that make me a victim based on your worldview. You tell me that my opinion is irrelevant because someone who you labelled a victim could be undermined then you do the same thing. You can't have it both ways. You can be a hero saving a victim by creating more victims. What posts justify graphic death threats? In a vacuum none. With context I could think of many examples including: Maybe he is posting death threats himself or perhaps committed a crime to a person in an identity we consider more of a victim. Someone who punches somebody and when they hit them back that person is suddenly the victim? I'm not sure I see the world as black and white as that.

rcpt 2y ago

Right. After the pay-to-play change that boosted Blue Checks to the top of everything it became unusable. No better than going into the local news comment section or Craigslist discussion forums.

EasyMark 2y ago
I had some success with a -lot- of training but mostly it’s 10% useful and 90% pure blue check engagement garbage. The following tab is still fine though. I’m pretty selective there and only include software people, science feeds, news orgs, etc that aren’t full of garbage. Also twitter control panel works pretty well delete all blue checks from comment sections.

stiltzkin 2y ago

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