6 ms·

Frightening?

wumeow 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_Wor...
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  We Americans have more to fear from economic and technological dominance than we do from military invasion. As a budding superpower ready to unseat the US from it's throan. All China has to do is wait for progress and time to run it's coarse and emerge the victor. If anything, the US is the tigger happy country as we watch the inevitable, looking for any excuse to use to stop them. Remember, why the hell does China give two shits about war if China can surpass the US simply through economic progress. They don't care, in fact they want to avoid war.
  - hackernewds 2y ago
    why does they have to be a winner and loser. everyone can thrive? except the United States is being buoyed by two main elements. 1) the ability of the internet to extract value overseas while untaxed in the client country 2) The H1B visa which funnels the best talent from struggling countries 3) strong institutions and financial and education centers and 4) military industrial complex that thrives on basically manufacturing conflicts with other countries #4 is what is scary. not the dominance of any other country itself
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      > why does they have to be a winner and loser. everyone can thrive? except the United States is being buoyed by two main elements. Why can’t there be a winner and a loser and both the winner and the loser cooperate and thrive with loser having the humility to admit he’s a loser? Isn’t this the same peaceful consequence? Just say China is better and admit inferiority for the everlasting peace. Why can’t you do it? Because competition and cooperation are intrinsic parts of natural selection and therefore evolutionary biology and therefore human nature. Don’t pretend to be above your own nature. Or do pretend. We can all act according to our ideals and deny our basest instincts, but don’t expect the mob to act the same way in aggregate.
      - wiricon 2y ago
        I don’t think anyone disputes that China can out-manufacture us. Does that make them “better”, they the winner and the West the loser? Obviously not; things don’t end, history continues and things can go in different directions in the future. Not to mention that there are other dimensions that matter besides manufacturing prowess, namely quality of life, individual freedom, etc.
        ninetyninenine 2y ago
        In the dimension of quality of life, technological prowess and economic GDP, China is likely going to match the US in western cities. Think about it. Manufacturing lies at the heart of everything. Do you think there's some universe where the US is good at designing things and then submits the design to China to manufacture and then suddenly China remains in the dark on how to design things? Don't be deluded on the whole individual freedom or quality of life thing. 99% of Americans don't even exercise the right to protest. China doesn't let you protest and this fact doesn't really affect anyones life.
        rangestransform 2y ago
        China does have kangaroo courts and this fact does actually affect some relatives of mine
      - digitalsurgeonz 2y ago
        [flagged]
        ninetyninenine 2y ago
        You’re wrong. Read up on Chinese history. Violence and plunder and and slavery is human nature. Heck the emperor cut off the penises of his servants to prevent them from fucking his multiple wives. And how did an emperor exist in the first place? Through war and invasion.
        2y ago
    - rangestransform 2y ago
      So that I can afford cheap shit from poorer countries, if they stay poor they contribute less to climate change, less competition for finite rare resources
  - t0bia_s 2y ago
    When your natural resources shrinking, you need to expand if your entire economy depending on that sources. China will soon be more aggressive as any other empires.
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      Let’s pray renewables become standard before any empire becomes thirsty for this.
    - digitalsurgeonz 2y ago
      >China will soon be more aggressive as any other empires. in its entire history it has never invaded outside its traditional borders, and it achieved all this without invading or enslaving people. It will continue this way in future too :)
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        In its entire history it has never invaded outside its traditional borders Vietnam, 1979. Support for North Korea's invasion of South Korea 1950-1953. Invasion of Indian-held areas in 1962 based on extremely dubious claims. Not an invasion, but its support for the genocidal Khmer Rouge in the 1970s (who ended up invading Vietnam with Chinese arms) was quite significant. Its current menacing of the Phillipines. Claims about "traditional borders" are almost invariably nonsense.
        mldqj 2y ago
        > Support for North Korea's invasion of South Korea 1950-1953. China did not support North Korea's invasion. North Korea did not seek China's support initially and only asked for Stalin's permission. China would not have entered the Korea war at all if MacArthur did not disobey Truman and marched all the way to the Chinese border. He also publicly stated that he planned to bomb China. It was one of the reasons for which he was fired. All this was well documented in the US's own literature.
        2y ago

Frightening?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_Wor...

ninetyninenine 2y ago
We Americans have more to fear from economic and technological dominance than we do from military invasion. As a budding superpower ready to unseat the US from it's throan. All China has to do is wait for progress and time to run it's coarse and emerge the victor. If anything, the US is the tigger happy country as we watch the inevitable, looking for any excuse to use to stop them. Remember, why the hell does China give two shits about war if China can surpass the US simply through economic progress. They don't care, in fact they want to avoid war.
- hackernewds 2y ago
  why does they have to be a winner and loser. everyone can thrive? except the United States is being buoyed by two main elements. 1) the ability of the internet to extract value overseas while untaxed in the client country 2) The H1B visa which funnels the best talent from struggling countries 3) strong institutions and financial and education centers and 4) military industrial complex that thrives on basically manufacturing conflicts with other countries #4 is what is scary. not the dominance of any other country itself
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    > why does they have to be a winner and loser. everyone can thrive? except the United States is being buoyed by two main elements. Why can’t there be a winner and a loser and both the winner and the loser cooperate and thrive with loser having the humility to admit he’s a loser? Isn’t this the same peaceful consequence? Just say China is better and admit inferiority for the everlasting peace. Why can’t you do it? Because competition and cooperation are intrinsic parts of natural selection and therefore evolutionary biology and therefore human nature. Don’t pretend to be above your own nature. Or do pretend. We can all act according to our ideals and deny our basest instincts, but don’t expect the mob to act the same way in aggregate.
    - wiricon 2y ago
      I don’t think anyone disputes that China can out-manufacture us. Does that make them “better”, they the winner and the West the loser? Obviously not; things don’t end, history continues and things can go in different directions in the future. Not to mention that there are other dimensions that matter besides manufacturing prowess, namely quality of life, individual freedom, etc.
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        In the dimension of quality of life, technological prowess and economic GDP, China is likely going to match the US in western cities. Think about it. Manufacturing lies at the heart of everything. Do you think there's some universe where the US is good at designing things and then submits the design to China to manufacture and then suddenly China remains in the dark on how to design things? Don't be deluded on the whole individual freedom or quality of life thing. 99% of Americans don't even exercise the right to protest. China doesn't let you protest and this fact doesn't really affect anyones life.
        rangestransform 2y ago
        China does have kangaroo courts and this fact does actually affect some relatives of mine
    - digitalsurgeonz 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        You’re wrong. Read up on Chinese history. Violence and plunder and and slavery is human nature. Heck the emperor cut off the penises of his servants to prevent them from fucking his multiple wives. And how did an emperor exist in the first place? Through war and invasion.
        2y ago
  - rangestransform 2y ago
    So that I can afford cheap shit from poorer countries, if they stay poor they contribute less to climate change, less competition for finite rare resources
- t0bia_s 2y ago
  When your natural resources shrinking, you need to expand if your entire economy depending on that sources. China will soon be more aggressive as any other empires.
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    Let’s pray renewables become standard before any empire becomes thirsty for this.
  - digitalsurgeonz 2y ago
    >China will soon be more aggressive as any other empires. in its entire history it has never invaded outside its traditional borders, and it achieved all this without invading or enslaving people. It will continue this way in future too :)
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      In its entire history it has never invaded outside its traditional borders Vietnam, 1979. Support for North Korea's invasion of South Korea 1950-1953. Invasion of Indian-held areas in 1962 based on extremely dubious claims. Not an invasion, but its support for the genocidal Khmer Rouge in the 1970s (who ended up invading Vietnam with Chinese arms) was quite significant. Its current menacing of the Phillipines. Claims about "traditional borders" are almost invariably nonsense.
      - mldqj 2y ago
        > Support for North Korea's invasion of South Korea 1950-1953. China did not support North Korea's invasion. North Korea did not seek China's support initially and only asked for Stalin's permission. China would not have entered the Korea war at all if MacArthur did not disobey Truman and marched all the way to the Chinese border. He also publicly stated that he planned to bomb China. It was one of the reasons for which he was fired. All this was well documented in the US's own literature.
        2y ago