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Since the Leaf has a smaller battery, it get's more wear and tear per trip.

by pcdoodle 2y ago

Astronaut3315 2y ago
It also lacks active thermal management. That's more or less a requirement for long battery life.
- _yb2s 2y ago
  Probably depends on the climate and use case… early EVs with no thermal management seems to last forever in coastal areas with mild climates, and slow heavy traffic
- cowmix 2y ago
  THIS. The ARIYA is the first EV they've widely released (last year) with any active thermal management. I live in AZ, and all my friends with Leaf's all have had to have their batteries replaced at least once. All my Chevy based EV/PHEVs have had great battery life (so far) - knock on wood.
  - davedunkin 2y ago
    I'm also in AZ. What's surprising to me is I get slightly better range in the summer months.
BonoboIO 2y ago
I think this is the answer. That is also a problem for hybrid powers vehicles, the battery is small and it gets charged and discharged 0-100 / 100-0 very often, if you use the hybrid as intended. Some manufacturers limit this, but in a few years we will see a lot of hybrids that have batteries that barely work and will not deliver the expected ev only distance by a lot.
- teamonkey 2y ago
  A lot of Toyota hybrids (but I believe not PHEVs) use NiMH batteries, which are longer lasting than the Li-ion batteries used in EVs and can withstand more charge cycles.
  - omgwtfbyobbq 2y ago
    They last longer because they are treated gently compared to lithium packs in EVs (shallow/frequency cycles, lower charge/discharge rates, etc). When used in the same duty cycle, most lithium cells/packs should last longer than the same capacity NIMH cells/packs.
    - teamonkey 2y ago
      They’re used on hybrids because they’re more longer-lasting than Li-ion for the duty cycle hybrids have. Li-ion is not universally better, but its energy density makes it better for EVs, and economies of scale mean that they’re becoming as cheap or cheaper than NiMH cells even if the hybrid duty cycle will make them degrade faster.
- moepstar 2y ago
  Not only that, those small batteries do cost a disproportionate amount of money to replace. If you want a real world opinion, check the EVClinic blog…

Since the Leaf has a smaller battery, it get's more wear and tear per trip.

Astronaut3315 2y ago

It also lacks active thermal management. That's more or less a requirement for long battery life.

_yb2s 2y ago
Probably depends on the climate and use case… early EVs with no thermal management seems to last forever in coastal areas with mild climates, and slow heavy traffic
cowmix 2y ago
THIS. The ARIYA is the first EV they've widely released (last year) with any active thermal management. I live in AZ, and all my friends with Leaf's all have had to have their batteries replaced at least once. All my Chevy based EV/PHEVs have had great battery life (so far) - knock on wood.
- davedunkin 2y ago
  I'm also in AZ. What's surprising to me is I get slightly better range in the summer months.

BonoboIO 2y ago

I think this is the answer. That is also a problem for hybrid powers vehicles, the battery is small and it gets charged and discharged 0-100 / 100-0 very often, if you use the hybrid as intended. Some manufacturers limit this, but in a few years we will see a lot of hybrids that have batteries that barely work and will not deliver the expected ev only distance by a lot.

teamonkey 2y ago
A lot of Toyota hybrids (but I believe not PHEVs) use NiMH batteries, which are longer lasting than the Li-ion batteries used in EVs and can withstand more charge cycles.
- omgwtfbyobbq 2y ago
  They last longer because they are treated gently compared to lithium packs in EVs (shallow/frequency cycles, lower charge/discharge rates, etc). When used in the same duty cycle, most lithium cells/packs should last longer than the same capacity NIMH cells/packs.
  - teamonkey 2y ago
    They’re used on hybrids because they’re more longer-lasting than Li-ion for the duty cycle hybrids have. Li-ion is not universally better, but its energy density makes it better for EVs, and economies of scale mean that they’re becoming as cheap or cheaper than NiMH cells even if the hybrid duty cycle will make them degrade faster.
moepstar 2y ago
Not only that, those small batteries do cost a disproportionate amount of money to replace. If you want a real world opinion, check the EVClinic blog…