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I'll take facial recognition over long TSA lines any day. I can't wait until we have full-throughput non-blocking walk-through security.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
“For any amount convenience, it’s okay to discriminate against people based on any collection of facts, including ones you can see on their face like their heritage, so long as none of those facts are mine.”
bediger4000 2y ago
That will never happen. The long lines and inconveniences are the point, not a side effect. How many shoe bombers does the TSA catch in a day? 0. In a month? 0. Since the only shoe bomber? 0. We still take off our shoes. Same with underwear bombs. 0. We still partially undress and do the nude-a-tron. The point is, we could already ditch the lines, we don't want to.
- jkestner 2y ago
  This anti-tiger rock only costs $10 billion!
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    Now try the bomb detector wands
- 0x457 2y ago
  I mean it's like saying what's the point of a security feature if thing that feature prevents from happening isn't happening after implementing that feature.
  - bediger4000 2y ago
    Sure, there's some truth to that, but shoe bombs, underpants bombs and the two liquids bombs have never been tried again. If they did, they would set off their shoes and underpants in the "cattle maze", where there are several planesfull of people, and nobody has been ID'ed, or x-rayed or swabbed. There's nothing magical about setting off a bomb on a plane as far as terrorizing a populace goes. Bombs in the mazes before "security" would be effective, as we learned at the Boston Marathon.
    - 0x457 2y ago
      I'm not arguing with that. I'm saying that out of all reasons TSA isn't effective, lack of bombs isn't one of them.
- remram 2y ago
  Unless you're old, then you get to keep your shoes. Only young people's shoes explode. It's science.
  - jkestner 2y ago
    My hack to skip that part is to travel with kids. Keep your clothes on and just walk through the metal detector.
tokai 2y ago
Just remove TSA. Airport security provides nothing.
- aaomidi 2y ago
  So I’ve heard this a lot, but how can we actually test this? The only realistic test I can imagine here is that the TSA shuts down for a decade and we see what happens?
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    The TSA tests this yearly. They usually fail their own tests.
  - sneak 2y ago
    They test the TSA with weapons and most get through. This means people don't wish to use weapons to hijack planes, or it would happen way more often and it doesn't.
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
      It doesn't happen now, after 9/11. 9/11 was a one-time thing, and basically ruined airliner hijacking forever for other would-be hijackers. Before 9/11, people were taught to comply with hijackers because it was just a political stunt and people generally didn't get hurt. After 9/11, passengers will now fight for their lives because they'll assume the hijackers are religious kooks who intend to murder them all by flying them into a building. A few hijackers with razor blades today will be torn limb from limb by the other passengers.
  - bediger4000 2y ago
    There's never been a bomb in the maze/lines before security. Why not?
    - nonameiguess 2y ago
      A small comment that will probably go mostly unnoticed, but this question has always bothered me too and it's a second opportunity inside of an hour to talk about working at Disneyland post 9/11. We instituted bag checks at the intake turnstiles for the first time after that, and the result was enormous lines that backed up all the way to the streets. It left me wondering why nobody just detonated a bomb or fired the entire magazine of an Uzi into the crowd waiting to get into the park. You could still kill anywhere from hundreds to thousands of people, it's still at Disneyland. What were we really accomplishing by making it less likely to happen in the park, but possibly making it even easier to happen right outside, given the gridlock, how tightly everyone was packed, and the impossibility of hiding anywhere or running away?
paxys 2y ago
What makes you think this will make lines move any faster? The bottleneck has always been body/luggage scanning, and that isn't changing.
xenospn 2y ago
Already exists when entering the US using global entry. No need to show your passport anymore, just walk right through.
EasyMark 2y ago
That won’t happen since they will always want to go through your bags either by X-ray or by hand, that won’t change ever.
neuroelectron 2y ago
Yeah but Senators can't bypass facial recognition the way they can evasive screening. Can't you think of their rights?
- mistrial9 2y ago
  see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal
kelnos 2y ago
Anecdotal, but I haven't experienced shorter lines or faster ID checks since they implemented this facial recognition system.

doctorpangloss 2y ago

“For any amount convenience, it’s okay to discriminate against people based on any collection of facts, including ones you can see on their face like their heritage, so long as none of those facts are mine.”

bediger4000 2y ago

That will never happen. The long lines and inconveniences are the point, not a side effect. How many shoe bombers does the TSA catch in a day? 0. In a month? 0. Since the only shoe bomber? 0. We still take off our shoes. Same with underwear bombs. 0. We still partially undress and do the nude-a-tron. The point is, we could already ditch the lines, we don't want to.

jkestner 2y ago
This anti-tiger rock only costs $10 billion!
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Now try the bomb detector wands
0x457 2y ago
I mean it's like saying what's the point of a security feature if thing that feature prevents from happening isn't happening after implementing that feature.
- bediger4000 2y ago
  Sure, there's some truth to that, but shoe bombs, underpants bombs and the two liquids bombs have never been tried again. If they did, they would set off their shoes and underpants in the "cattle maze", where there are several planesfull of people, and nobody has been ID'ed, or x-rayed or swabbed. There's nothing magical about setting off a bomb on a plane as far as terrorizing a populace goes. Bombs in the mazes before "security" would be effective, as we learned at the Boston Marathon.
  - 0x457 2y ago
    I'm not arguing with that. I'm saying that out of all reasons TSA isn't effective, lack of bombs isn't one of them.
remram 2y ago
Unless you're old, then you get to keep your shoes. Only young people's shoes explode. It's science.
- jkestner 2y ago
  My hack to skip that part is to travel with kids. Keep your clothes on and just walk through the metal detector.

tokai 2y ago

Just remove TSA. Airport security provides nothing.

aaomidi 2y ago
So I’ve heard this a lot, but how can we actually test this? The only realistic test I can imagine here is that the TSA shuts down for a decade and we see what happens?
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  The TSA tests this yearly. They usually fail their own tests.
- sneak 2y ago
  They test the TSA with weapons and most get through. This means people don't wish to use weapons to hijack planes, or it would happen way more often and it doesn't.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    It doesn't happen now, after 9/11. 9/11 was a one-time thing, and basically ruined airliner hijacking forever for other would-be hijackers. Before 9/11, people were taught to comply with hijackers because it was just a political stunt and people generally didn't get hurt. After 9/11, passengers will now fight for their lives because they'll assume the hijackers are religious kooks who intend to murder them all by flying them into a building. A few hijackers with razor blades today will be torn limb from limb by the other passengers.
- bediger4000 2y ago
  There's never been a bomb in the maze/lines before security. Why not?
  - nonameiguess 2y ago
    A small comment that will probably go mostly unnoticed, but this question has always bothered me too and it's a second opportunity inside of an hour to talk about working at Disneyland post 9/11. We instituted bag checks at the intake turnstiles for the first time after that, and the result was enormous lines that backed up all the way to the streets. It left me wondering why nobody just detonated a bomb or fired the entire magazine of an Uzi into the crowd waiting to get into the park. You could still kill anywhere from hundreds to thousands of people, it's still at Disneyland. What were we really accomplishing by making it less likely to happen in the park, but possibly making it even easier to happen right outside, given the gridlock, how tightly everyone was packed, and the impossibility of hiding anywhere or running away?

paxys 2y ago

What makes you think this will make lines move any faster? The bottleneck has always been body/luggage scanning, and that isn't changing.

xenospn 2y ago

Already exists when entering the US using global entry. No need to show your passport anymore, just walk right through.

EasyMark 2y ago

That won’t happen since they will always want to go through your bags either by X-ray or by hand, that won’t change ever.

neuroelectron 2y ago

Yeah but Senators can't bypass facial recognition the way they can evasive screening. Can't you think of their rights?

mistrial9 2y ago
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

kelnos 2y ago

Anecdotal, but I haven't experienced shorter lines or faster ID checks since they implemented this facial recognition system.