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> Just like the bible, a holy work of truth, you just have to believe in? In ways which are commonly agreed upon as useful, yes. In the case of the bible it ca

> Just like the bible, a holy work of truth, you just have to believe in? In ways which are commonly agreed upon as useful, yes. In the case of the bible it cannot be interpreted literally. But abstract concepts, like that every human contains the capacity for good and evil, absolutely. In fact that's what we're discussing. > Because as far as I know, all the marxist experiments did not result in less crime, or corruption, rather the opposite. So why should I believe, that the next marxist experiments will work out any better? Was there a major update recently, that fixed the flaws? Assuming you aren't drinking the sinophobia Kool Aide, which is an admittedly big assumption, have you looked at what China has been able to accomplish in recent decades? Not perfect obviously, nothing is, but they're in different league compared to the crumbling empire of the US.

lukan 2y ago
"But abstract concepts, like that every human contains the capacity for good and evil, absolutely. In fact that's what we're discussing." I see. Well, I strongly disagree to the arbitary dividing of the world in good and evil. In fact, the whole "capitalism is the root of all evil" reminds me strongly of what was the devils doing before. All the bad just happens, because there is this evil force. In my opinion, this is good ideology for controlling people - we are the good side - they are evil ones. And don't you dare question our side - then you are evil. Still a surprise, that you see china as a positive force here.
- swed420 2y ago
  > Well, I strongly disagree to the arbitary dividing of the world in good and evil. That's not what I said though. It's dividing chunks of time within an individual. There is no purely good or evil person. Humans contain the capacity for both, and how it manifests is mostly a function of their environment at any point in time combined with the historical context that got them to that point. Look up dialectical/historical materialism to understand how this comes to be. > Still a surprise, that you see china as a positive force here. I cited it not as a "pure good" like you're attempting to coerce from my words. Instead I cited it as an example of a group of people with a Marxist background doing some things better than capitalism (and some things worse).

lukan 2y ago

"But abstract concepts, like that every human contains the capacity for good and evil, absolutely. In fact that's what we're discussing." I see. Well, I strongly disagree to the arbitary dividing of the world in good and evil. In fact, the whole "capitalism is the root of all evil" reminds me strongly of what was the devils doing before. All the bad just happens, because there is this evil force. In my opinion, this is good ideology for controlling people - we are the good side - they are evil ones. And don't you dare question our side - then you are evil. Still a surprise, that you see china as a positive force here.

swed420 2y ago
> Well, I strongly disagree to the arbitary dividing of the world in good and evil. That's not what I said though. It's dividing chunks of time within an individual. There is no purely good or evil person. Humans contain the capacity for both, and how it manifests is mostly a function of their environment at any point in time combined with the historical context that got them to that point. Look up dialectical/historical materialism to understand how this comes to be. > Still a surprise, that you see china as a positive force here. I cited it not as a "pure good" like you're attempting to coerce from my words. Instead I cited it as an example of a group of people with a Marxist background doing some things better than capitalism (and some things worse).