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Chariots of The Gods.

DonHopkins 2y ago
FYI, Erich von Däniken's book "Chariots of the Gods?" is racist pseudo-scientific claptrap. My Archaeoastronomy professor at the University of Maryland, John B. Carlson, despises it. It attributes the achievements of ancient non-European civilizations to extraterrestrial visitors, undermining their intelligence and capabilities, promotes speculative theories without empirical evidence, misinterprets artifacts, ignores scientific consensus, perpetuates harmful cultural stereotypes, and plagiarizes French author Robert Charroux's "The Morning of the Magicians". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoastronomy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoastronomy >Archaeoastronomy (also spelled archeoastronomy) is the interdisciplinary[1] or multidisciplinary[2] study of how people in the past "have understood the phenomena in the sky, how they used these phenomena and what role the sky played in their cultures".[3] Clive Ruggles argues it is misleading to consider archaeoastronomy to be the study of ancient astronomy, as modern astronomy is a scientific discipline, while archaeoastronomy considers symbolically rich cultural interpretations of phenomena in the sky by other cultures.[4][5] It is often twinned with ethnoastronomy, the anthropological study of skywatching in contemporary societies. Archaeoastronomy is also closely associated with historical astronomy, the use of historical records of heavenly events to answer astronomical problems and the history of astronomy, which uses written records to evaluate past astronomical practice.[6] A Brief History of the Center for Archaeoastronomy https://terpconnect.umd.edu/~tlaloc/archastro/cfaintro.html https://terpconnect.umd.edu/~tlaloc/archastro/cfaintro.html
- andrewstuart 2y ago
  I just remember it as part of the craze in the 1970's for "Mysteries of the Unexplained" type stuff. Pyramid Power, UFOs, Sasquatch, etc etc
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    Archaeoastronomy was one of the most interesting courses I took at uni, and professor Carlson was extremely enthusiastic about it. It really opened my mind to how smart and motivated ancient people were, not at all like our stereotypes from "The Flintstones" and "Chariots of the Gods?". For example, The Anasazi Indians made significant astronomical observations that they integrated into their architecture and cultural practices. They tracked solar and lunar cycles, aligning their buildings and ceremonial sites with celestial events like solstices and equinoxes. A fascinating example is the "Sun Dagger" at Fajada Butte in Chaco Canyon, where they used sunlight and shadow patterns on petroglyphs to mark important times of the year. They deserve an enormous about of credit for what they achieved without all our received technology, and left behind for us to reverse engineer. https://spaceshipearth1.wordpress.com/tag/anasazi-indians-astronomy/ https://spaceshipearth1.wordpress.com/tag/anasazi-indians-as... https://www2.hao.ucar.edu/education/prehistoric-southwest/sun-dagger https://www2.hao.ucar.edu/education/prehistoric-southwest/su... It's disappointing when people reflexively attribute ancient achievements like that to religion (or aliens), when it's actually hard objective observation based science that deserves credit!
  - mykowebhn 2y ago
    Does anyone remember the 70s TV show "In Search of..." hosted by Leonard Nimoy? I loved that show and I ate up all the literature I could find about the paranormal back then. Kids will believe anything!
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      And OMNI Magazine! https://archive.org/details/OMNI197908/Best_of_OMNI_1_1980/ https://archive.org/details/OMNI197908/Best_of_OMNI_1_1980/ I still firmly believe that John Gilchrist, the "Little Mikey" child actor in Life Cereal commercials, exploded after consuming a combination of Pop Rocks candy and soda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2xMhRLVVs4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2xMhRLVVs4
- ipaddr 2y ago
  In fairness the same group believes many of the white man's (specifically US) achievements are from reversed alien technology.
  - dyauspitr 2y ago
    The bar is so much higher for what white man’s technologies is considered alien technology. For other groups, building a basic building with lined up bricks seems to be too much to be attributed to them.
    - ipaddr 2y ago
      In many cases materials were used in areas not possible by our understanding of their level of technology. Or similar structures appear around the globe before global travel. Or folklore mentions contact with aliens or alien described technology. I don't believe its a race division . In the past most ancient powerful knowledgeable civilizations were not white/European but when they were they were equally labelled like Stone Hedge is from white/european origin but often is linked to UFOS origin.
      - dyauspitr 2y ago
        The quack archeology field is pretty massive. I see what you’re saying and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a little bit of both column A in some cases and column B with others.
- vixen99 2y ago
  How about IMO rather than FYI ? We can make up our own minds. 'ignores scientific consensus'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superseded_scientific_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superseded_scientific_... 'promotes speculative theories without empirical evidence'. Haven't Peter Woit and Lee Smolin pointed out how String Theory does exactly that? Have their criticisms been made redundant by more recent research? I have no idea but maybe a physicist would care to comment.
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    Sometimes (and often) pseudoscientific bullshit is just objectively wrong, and you'd have to be completely out of your mind, or just trolling, to "make up your own mind" to believe it. No sane flat earthers in this day and age actually believe the earth is flat, or deserve to have their presumed beliefs respected or even humored, because they're just being contrarian and trolling for attention, so it's perfectly valid to say to them "FYI, the Earth is not flat." I refuse to couch my firm disbelief that the Earth is flat as an opinion that might possibly be wrong, by saying "IMO, the Earth is not flat." Flat Earthers (also Young Earthers) certainly aren't couching their crazy beliefs as opinions, so don't deserve it in return. "Chariots of the Gods?" is also that objectively wrong: there is no possible universe in which its claims are true. It's all based on historically ignorant Argument from Incredulity and inherently racist assumptions. In the 50th anniversary edition, von Däniken refused to address, admit, or correct any of the many widely proven errors in the book that made him so much money and fame, so he doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity Believing in pseudoscientific claptrap like Homeopathy, or the objectively false stories of Adam and Eve or Noah's Ark is just as ridiculous. They're physically and mathematically and logically and practically impossible. So it's also fine to say "FYI it's biblical fiction, and the Earth is definitely not 6000 years old, and you absolutely can not fit and feed and clean that many animals in a wooden ark." It's not my opinion, it's objective information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc To pretend otherwise feels like humoring a small child who still believes in Santa Claus.
    - 2y ago
- numerosix 2y ago
  French here. 'Le matin des magiciens' has been written by Pauwels and Bergier...

FYI, Erich von Däniken's book "Chariots of the Gods?" is racist pseudo-scientific claptrap. My Archaeoastronomy professor at the University of Maryland, John B. Carlson, despises it. It attributes the achievements of ancient non-European civilizations to extraterrestrial visitors, undermining their intelligence and capabilities, promotes speculative theories without empirical evidence, misinterprets artifacts, ignores scientific consensus, perpetuates harmful cultural stereotypes, and plagiarizes French author Robert Charroux's "The Morning of the Magicians". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoastronomy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoastronomy >Archaeoastronomy (also spelled archeoastronomy) is the interdisciplinary[1] or multidisciplinary[2] study of how people in the past "have understood the phenomena in the sky, how they used these phenomena and what role the sky played in their cultures".[3] Clive Ruggles argues it is misleading to consider archaeoastronomy to be the study of ancient astronomy, as modern astronomy is a scientific discipline, while archaeoastronomy considers symbolically rich cultural interpretations of phenomena in the sky by other cultures.[4][5] It is often twinned with ethnoastronomy, the anthropological study of skywatching in contemporary societies. Archaeoastronomy is also closely associated with historical astronomy, the use of historical records of heavenly events to answer astronomical problems and the history of astronomy, which uses written records to evaluate past astronomical practice.[6] A Brief History of the Center for Archaeoastronomy https://terpconnect.umd.edu/~tlaloc/archastro/cfaintro.html https://terpconnect.umd.edu/~tlaloc/archastro/cfaintro.html

andrewstuart 2y ago
I just remember it as part of the craze in the 1970's for "Mysteries of the Unexplained" type stuff. Pyramid Power, UFOs, Sasquatch, etc etc
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  Archaeoastronomy was one of the most interesting courses I took at uni, and professor Carlson was extremely enthusiastic about it. It really opened my mind to how smart and motivated ancient people were, not at all like our stereotypes from "The Flintstones" and "Chariots of the Gods?". For example, The Anasazi Indians made significant astronomical observations that they integrated into their architecture and cultural practices. They tracked solar and lunar cycles, aligning their buildings and ceremonial sites with celestial events like solstices and equinoxes. A fascinating example is the "Sun Dagger" at Fajada Butte in Chaco Canyon, where they used sunlight and shadow patterns on petroglyphs to mark important times of the year. They deserve an enormous about of credit for what they achieved without all our received technology, and left behind for us to reverse engineer. https://spaceshipearth1.wordpress.com/tag/anasazi-indians-astronomy/ https://spaceshipearth1.wordpress.com/tag/anasazi-indians-as... https://www2.hao.ucar.edu/education/prehistoric-southwest/sun-dagger https://www2.hao.ucar.edu/education/prehistoric-southwest/su... It's disappointing when people reflexively attribute ancient achievements like that to religion (or aliens), when it's actually hard objective observation based science that deserves credit!
- mykowebhn 2y ago
  Does anyone remember the 70s TV show "In Search of..." hosted by Leonard Nimoy? I loved that show and I ate up all the literature I could find about the paranormal back then. Kids will believe anything!
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    And OMNI Magazine! https://archive.org/details/OMNI197908/Best_of_OMNI_1_1980/ https://archive.org/details/OMNI197908/Best_of_OMNI_1_1980/ I still firmly believe that John Gilchrist, the "Little Mikey" child actor in Life Cereal commercials, exploded after consuming a combination of Pop Rocks candy and soda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2xMhRLVVs4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2xMhRLVVs4
ipaddr 2y ago
In fairness the same group believes many of the white man's (specifically US) achievements are from reversed alien technology.
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  The bar is so much higher for what white man’s technologies is considered alien technology. For other groups, building a basic building with lined up bricks seems to be too much to be attributed to them.
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    In many cases materials were used in areas not possible by our understanding of their level of technology. Or similar structures appear around the globe before global travel. Or folklore mentions contact with aliens or alien described technology. I don't believe its a race division . In the past most ancient powerful knowledgeable civilizations were not white/European but when they were they were equally labelled like Stone Hedge is from white/european origin but often is linked to UFOS origin.
    - dyauspitr 2y ago
      The quack archeology field is pretty massive. I see what you’re saying and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a little bit of both column A in some cases and column B with others.
vixen99 2y ago
How about IMO rather than FYI ? We can make up our own minds. 'ignores scientific consensus'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superseded_scientific_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_superseded_scientific_... 'promotes speculative theories without empirical evidence'. Haven't Peter Woit and Lee Smolin pointed out how String Theory does exactly that? Have their criticisms been made redundant by more recent research? I have no idea but maybe a physicist would care to comment.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  Sometimes (and often) pseudoscientific bullshit is just objectively wrong, and you'd have to be completely out of your mind, or just trolling, to "make up your own mind" to believe it. No sane flat earthers in this day and age actually believe the earth is flat, or deserve to have their presumed beliefs respected or even humored, because they're just being contrarian and trolling for attention, so it's perfectly valid to say to them "FYI, the Earth is not flat." I refuse to couch my firm disbelief that the Earth is flat as an opinion that might possibly be wrong, by saying "IMO, the Earth is not flat." Flat Earthers (also Young Earthers) certainly aren't couching their crazy beliefs as opinions, so don't deserve it in return. "Chariots of the Gods?" is also that objectively wrong: there is no possible universe in which its claims are true. It's all based on historically ignorant Argument from Incredulity and inherently racist assumptions. In the 50th anniversary edition, von Däniken refused to address, admit, or correct any of the many widely proven errors in the book that made him so much money and fame, so he doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity Believing in pseudoscientific claptrap like Homeopathy, or the objectively false stories of Adam and Eve or Noah's Ark is just as ridiculous. They're physically and mathematically and logically and practically impossible. So it's also fine to say "FYI it's biblical fiction, and the Earth is definitely not 6000 years old, and you absolutely can not fit and feed and clean that many animals in a wooden ark." It's not my opinion, it's objective information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc To pretend otherwise feels like humoring a small child who still believes in Santa Claus.
  - 2y ago
numerosix 2y ago
French here. 'Le matin des magiciens' has been written by Pauwels and Bergier...