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> But, there are definitely some folks who we’d be better off paying to not do anything. An even better idea: simply don't hire such people.

bee_rider 2y ago
They are motivated to be hired (the alternative is no money, possibly no home or good). They aren’t dumber than the folks who really want to do engineering and make neat stuff, just differently motivated. And if those two groups get in an office politics battle, the group that isn’t distracted as much by engineering wins, right?
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > They are motivated to be hired I am also very motivated to convince you to give me, say, 10,000 EUR or USD, will you hand me over the money? ;-) Seriously: if you see no value in giving me this money, you clearly won't do that. Also: if the person you could hire does not bring more value for the company than he/she costs you, you won't hore the person, no matter if he/she is motivated or not.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Have you ever watched a scam in action? It's in my best interests to convince you (a boss) that I'll bring lots of value, and then not bring it, and continue convincing you that I am bringing it.
    - aleph_minus_one 2y ago
      If the boss or HR falls for such a scam, I clearly opine that they are not suitable for their job.
      - kaashif 2y ago
        I agree, but the incentives are lopsided. The prospective hire has a huge incentive: they get the money. But the hiring manager doesn't have any such incentive: it's not their money they're spending. Even worse, they may in some way be compensated based on the number of people or teams they manage, in which case the incentives of useless hires and hiring managers are unfortunately all too aligned.
- Terretta 2y ago
  > And if those two groups get in an office politics battle, the group that isn’t distracted as much by engineering wins, right? Wiser than the average wisecrack.

bee_rider 2y ago

They are motivated to be hired (the alternative is no money, possibly no home or good). They aren’t dumber than the folks who really want to do engineering and make neat stuff, just differently motivated. And if those two groups get in an office politics battle, the group that isn’t distracted as much by engineering wins, right?

aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> They are motivated to be hired I am also very motivated to convince you to give me, say, 10,000 EUR or USD, will you hand me over the money? ;-) Seriously: if you see no value in giving me this money, you clearly won't do that. Also: if the person you could hire does not bring more value for the company than he/she costs you, you won't hore the person, no matter if he/she is motivated or not.
- immibis 2y ago
  Have you ever watched a scam in action? It's in my best interests to convince you (a boss) that I'll bring lots of value, and then not bring it, and continue convincing you that I am bringing it.
  - aleph_minus_one 2y ago
    If the boss or HR falls for such a scam, I clearly opine that they are not suitable for their job.
    - kaashif 2y ago
      I agree, but the incentives are lopsided. The prospective hire has a huge incentive: they get the money. But the hiring manager doesn't have any such incentive: it's not their money they're spending. Even worse, they may in some way be compensated based on the number of people or teams they manage, in which case the incentives of useless hires and hiring managers are unfortunately all too aligned.
Terretta 2y ago
> And if those two groups get in an office politics battle, the group that isn’t distracted as much by engineering wins, right? Wiser than the average wisecrack.