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Such as?

• cess11 2y ago
  Plutonium.
  • Retric 2y ago
    Plutonium does get sold, look up certified reference materials.
    • cess11 2y ago
      "without restriction"
      • Retric 2y ago
        The seller isn’t restricting you on what you can do with your 0.1 gram sample of plutonium.
• pydry 2y ago
  Organs
  • Retric 2y ago
    There’s a market for cadavers. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-bodies-brokers/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-bodi...
    • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      And it's tightly regulated.
      • Retric 2y ago
        So are cars, it’s still a sale and actual ownership.
        • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
          > it’s still a sale and actual ownership What makes it actual versus pretend ownership? Remember, ownership is a social construct.
          • EMIRELADERO 2y ago
            > Remember, ownership is a social construct. But the argument about you not really "owning" stuff even when the button says "buy" is a legal one.
            • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
              > the argument about you not really "owning" stuff even when the button says "buy" is a legal one Ownership is a stack of rights. It's a social construct--you can't lab test for ownership. It's meaningless to say what "really" owning means without specifying which of those rights you view to be essential in this situation.
          • Retric 2y ago
            Finality. Does the seller or creator having a say in what you do with something after the transaction? If so it’s not a sale. If the dealership can still repossess the car you haven’t bought it yet. New house requires being an HOA member? Not a sale.
            • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
              > Finality No real estate is bought and owned without restrictions. And between taxes and bans, one’s relationship with other owned property is similarly revocable. > the dealership can still repossess the car you haven’t bought it yet If you bought your car with financing, it cannot be stolen? > New house requires being an HOA member? Not a sale So if your house has an HOA it cannot be stolen?
  • thayne 2y ago
    Ok, so there is one similarity there. If you pay for an organ transplant you can't sell that organ again, because it is illegal to sell your own organs. Although you might be able to donate it on your death depending on the circumstances. But the reasons for prohibiting resell are very different. For organs, selling organs is prohibited in order to protect individuals from being pressured or otherwise exploited into selling their organs. But for media, publishing and distribution companies are using technical measures and what is, IMO, an abuse of copyright law to maximize profits.
• JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Such as? Tickets to a live performance. Health information. Public benefits. Tax refunds. Rental cars.
  • Retric 2y ago
    You just listed things that are regularly resold.
    • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > You just listed things that are regularly resold Yes? I said "things that can't be bought and sold without restriction." Are you saying it's not pirating if there's a resellable DVD available?
      • Retric 2y ago
        Stealing a physical DVD has meaning. Making a copy of a purely intangible set of data doesn’t deprive someone of that data.
        • JumpCrisscross 2y ago
          > Making a copy of a purely intangible set of data doesn’t deprive someone of that data You’re making an argument on the non-rivalry of digital content. This is one of the good arguments I referenced. Digital content is currently a club good, like broadcast television. (Excludable.) You’re arguing for treating it like a public good, like a park. (Not excludable.) Ownership being a social construct makes statements like stealing X has meaning somewhat useless, particularly when it comes to rules.
          • Retric 2y ago
            Marriage is a social construct, but that doesn’t make the word meaningless. Buying a fork isn’t a marriage.