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Is what I wrote here mine or not? I used the autocorrect suggestions almost exclusively, wrote few letters only.

kenjackson 2y ago
Then, no. This isn’t text you generated. No one cares on Internet forums though.
theamk 2y ago
Who came up with the words? If autocorrect is acting as a typist, transferring your words to screen, you are the author.
- thrw42A8N 2y ago
  What if I first asked ChatGPT what should I say? And what's the difference from just copy pasting it?
  - theamk 2y ago
    The question is who comes up with words. If you re-type textbook, you are plagiarizing. Same happens if you re-type ChatGPT output. On the other hand, if you read some text first (be it ChatGPT's output, or a textbook) and then rephrase it yourself, then you are the author. How much you have to rephrase? Is changing every other word with synonym enough? That's actually a gray area, and it depends on the teacher. Most teachers would expect you to at least change sentence structure. But in this case it's completely irrelevant, as we know the students did copy/paste. I really don't see why you are trying to present ChatGPT like something special re plagiarism. Copying other's work is copying. Paying $10 to someone to do your homework and then copying their answer as-is is cheating. So is using ChatGPT yo do it for free.
    - thrw42A8N 2y ago
      ChatGPT is not someone. It's a tool.
      - theamk 2y ago
        So is a textbook. Still not OK to copy homework from it.
        thrw42A8N 2y ago
        Textbook has an author that you can copy. You can't copy output of an auto suggest, it's just yours.
        theamk 2y ago
        It does not matter if author is human or computer. If there is a spelling bee, but student is secretly using spellcheck on the phone, they are cheating. If there is a math speed competition, but student is using a calculator on the phone, they are cheating. If it's a calculus exam, but student is using Wolfram Alpha (or TI-89) to calculate integrals and derivatives, it is cheating. If it's a written exam but student is using ChatGPT to write the text, it is cheating as well. Not that different from previous cases.
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    There is no difference. They’re not your words. These are games no one in the real world is interested in playing.
    - thrw42A8N 2y ago
      How come they're not my words? I thought of sending them, not the keyboard. Same with ChatGPT, it doesn't do anything on its own - even if it could, it's a tool, not a person.
      - nkrisc 2y ago
        If he had turned in the prompt he wrote, then this would be his words. If your position is correct, then I suppose asking another person to write an essay for you is in fact your writing as well. Which is absurd. This pedantry is useless. Ask any person if an essay produced by AI was written by the person writing the prompt and I think a majority will say “no”. If AIs writing essays for you isn’t plagiarism, then nothing is.
        thrw42A8N 2y ago
        How could it be the same if another person wrote it? Situation A - a person uses a tool. They are the author. Situation B - a person contracts another person. They are not the author. The other person might be using a tool, but it doesn't matter. This is not a theoretical debate. This is how the current legal framework works, and if you expect someone to behave differently, you have to be explicit. Change the law if you want the default to be different. This is how it works now. > This pedantry is useless. Ask any person if an essay produced by AI was written by the person writing the prompt and I think a majority will say “no”. I'm an expert in the field. I don't need to ask mainstream people about their sci-fi influenced opinions, they don't matter to me nor to the law. This is how it works, it's not magic, it's not scifi, it's not a person, it can't be an author and thus it can't be plagiarized by the user, nor the user can violate the tool's copyright by using the output. It's a tool that authors can use to create their works, and even if all they did is push a single button, they are the author. Compare this to me applying a filter on a blank canvas to produce an abstract art wallpaper in Photoshop - am I the author or is Photoshop? Let me tell you, don't try to steal my work. I did it, not Photoshop, that was just a tool that made it easier for me. Same with ChatGPT - this morning I used it to write an architectural proposal. It's my proposal, there is no way I somehow "plagiarized" something. Doesn't matter that I pushed like 50 buttons in total; it's my work, I am the author. -- And if schools don't actively teach children to use this technology, they should be reformed. If this school was in my city, I'd vote for the party that will cancel it - for the extremely serious offense of letting the children think it's wrong to use tools. At least they should explain that the goal is elsewhere and why a particular tool shouldn't be used for that task. It's not like children will just know, you know. This is just like when teachers at my own school told us that Wikipedia is a bad source and we can't use it because it can't be trusted. That's total bullshit, just be honest - this assignment is supposed to test your writing skills, not tool usage skills.

Then, no. This isn’t text you generated. No one cares on Internet forums though.

Who came up with the words? If autocorrect is acting as a typist, transferring your words to screen, you are the author.

thrw42A8N 2y ago
What if I first asked ChatGPT what should I say? And what's the difference from just copy pasting it?
- theamk 2y ago
  The question is who comes up with words. If you re-type textbook, you are plagiarizing. Same happens if you re-type ChatGPT output. On the other hand, if you read some text first (be it ChatGPT's output, or a textbook) and then rephrase it yourself, then you are the author. How much you have to rephrase? Is changing every other word with synonym enough? That's actually a gray area, and it depends on the teacher. Most teachers would expect you to at least change sentence structure. But in this case it's completely irrelevant, as we know the students did copy/paste. I really don't see why you are trying to present ChatGPT like something special re plagiarism. Copying other's work is copying. Paying $10 to someone to do your homework and then copying their answer as-is is cheating. So is using ChatGPT yo do it for free.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    ChatGPT is not someone. It's a tool.
    - theamk 2y ago
      So is a textbook. Still not OK to copy homework from it.
      - thrw42A8N 2y ago
        Textbook has an author that you can copy. You can't copy output of an auto suggest, it's just yours.
        theamk 2y ago
        It does not matter if author is human or computer. If there is a spelling bee, but student is secretly using spellcheck on the phone, they are cheating. If there is a math speed competition, but student is using a calculator on the phone, they are cheating. If it's a calculus exam, but student is using Wolfram Alpha (or TI-89) to calculate integrals and derivatives, it is cheating. If it's a written exam but student is using ChatGPT to write the text, it is cheating as well. Not that different from previous cases.
- nkrisc 2y ago
  There is no difference. They’re not your words. These are games no one in the real world is interested in playing.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    How come they're not my words? I thought of sending them, not the keyboard. Same with ChatGPT, it doesn't do anything on its own - even if it could, it's a tool, not a person.
    - nkrisc 2y ago
      If he had turned in the prompt he wrote, then this would be his words. If your position is correct, then I suppose asking another person to write an essay for you is in fact your writing as well. Which is absurd. This pedantry is useless. Ask any person if an essay produced by AI was written by the person writing the prompt and I think a majority will say “no”. If AIs writing essays for you isn’t plagiarism, then nothing is.
      - thrw42A8N 2y ago
        How could it be the same if another person wrote it? Situation A - a person uses a tool. They are the author. Situation B - a person contracts another person. They are not the author. The other person might be using a tool, but it doesn't matter. This is not a theoretical debate. This is how the current legal framework works, and if you expect someone to behave differently, you have to be explicit. Change the law if you want the default to be different. This is how it works now. > This pedantry is useless. Ask any person if an essay produced by AI was written by the person writing the prompt and I think a majority will say “no”. I'm an expert in the field. I don't need to ask mainstream people about their sci-fi influenced opinions, they don't matter to me nor to the law. This is how it works, it's not magic, it's not scifi, it's not a person, it can't be an author and thus it can't be plagiarized by the user, nor the user can violate the tool's copyright by using the output. It's a tool that authors can use to create their works, and even if all they did is push a single button, they are the author. Compare this to me applying a filter on a blank canvas to produce an abstract art wallpaper in Photoshop - am I the author or is Photoshop? Let me tell you, don't try to steal my work. I did it, not Photoshop, that was just a tool that made it easier for me. Same with ChatGPT - this morning I used it to write an architectural proposal. It's my proposal, there is no way I somehow "plagiarized" something. Doesn't matter that I pushed like 50 buttons in total; it's my work, I am the author. -- And if schools don't actively teach children to use this technology, they should be reformed. If this school was in my city, I'd vote for the party that will cancel it - for the extremely serious offense of letting the children think it's wrong to use tools. At least they should explain that the goal is elsewhere and why a particular tool shouldn't be used for that task. It's not like children will just know, you know. This is just like when teachers at my own school told us that Wikipedia is a bad source and we can't use it because it can't be trusted. That's total bullshit, just be honest - this assignment is supposed to test your writing skills, not tool usage skills.