3 ms·

Russia is a civilian aircraft producer. There's no need for Chinese airplanes (which they have troubles with).

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Russia is a civilian aircraft producer Massive difference between airliners and aircraft. Russia has not shown itself capable of mass manufacturing airliners. (Or even advanced aircraft for that matter.) That said, as a petro state, they’re fine running inefficient engines across their skies.
- sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
  Are you serious? Look up SSJ-100 production numbers.
  - untech 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - untech 2y ago
        I don’t think they are shilling, but they look a bit obsessed with the topic. I wanted to point out to them how this looks from the outside.
    - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
      Dear untech, 1. I am both a Russian and a Russian citizen. 2. I comment a lot on Russia-related topics because I'm a Russian and I know quite a lot about Russia. 3. I'm also a software developer so I enjoy reading most HackerNews content. 4. Talking with people and learning their opinions seems worthwile to me. It's not really a waste of time.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        For what it's worth, I appreciate your comments and find them civil and informative. (American. Comment a lot because Ukraine is my pet war.)
        untech 2y ago
        What is a pet war?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > What is a pet war? A foreign conflict I’ve adopted for personal interest and to be opinionated about, but over which I have little to no influence or ground truth. The popular ones in America being Ukraine and Gaza. (The unpopular ones: the wars in Sudan, Ethiopia and Burma.)
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Look up SSJ-100 production numbers Now look at them post sanctions. The SSJ-100 contains far more important systems (not parts) [1] than e.g. Embraer’s regional jets. It was designed with consultation from Boeing, including throughout manufacturing. Russia’s indigenous jets are terrible, and there is no reason to expect them to improve, they can’t compete against the Chinese for the anti-Western market. To be fair to Sukhoi, this is how Boeing builds planes. If America were sanctioned by its allies, I’d similarly argue that Boeing, too, is incapable of mass manufacturing airliners. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20190402154855/https://www.uacrussia.ru/en/aircraft/lineup/civil/superjet-100/#history https://web.archive.org/web/20190402154855/https://www.uacru...
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      >The SSJ-100 contains far more important systems (not parts) than e.g. Embraer’s regional jets Embraer jets all use Pratt & Whitney engines which is the hardest part to replace. > they can’t compete against the Chinese for the anti-Western market. All Chinese jet airplanes use Western engines and other systems[0][1]. China can't sell them on the anti-Western market just like Russia wasn't allowed to sell Tu-204SM with PS-90A2 engines co-developed with Pratt & Whitney[2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C909 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C909 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviadvigatel_PS-90#PS-90A2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviadvigatel_PS-90#PS-90A2
  - cooljacob204 2y ago
    Compared to other airliners those production number are small.
    - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
      Russia only needs to supply herself, not other markerts. Which manufacturers do you compare with?
      - thodin 2y ago
        Russia officially built only one SSJ in 2024 – RA-89192. But in fact it was originally built in 2022 and it is probably the last SSJ-100 ever produced.
        protomolecule 2y ago
        >last SSJ-100 ever produced Yes, of course. The version of SSJ-100 with Russian-made engines and other systems is called SJ-100. [0] https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/civil/superjet-100/ https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/civil/superjet-1...
        thodin 2y ago
        There is no such thing as an SSJ-100 with Russian-made engines, period. Airlines cannot buy them, and you cannot fly them. Even the MC-21 is slightly more realistic, but it is also not available to any airline. We have been hearing this never-ending story of "aircraft will be available in 2 years" for a very long time. :)
        protomolecule 2y ago
        SJ-100 with PD-8 already flew in 2023[0], after a year of fixing engine problems, it is about to fly again. [0] https://viam.ru/news/8822 https://viam.ru/news/8822
  - thodin 2y ago
    Russia can't make more SSJ-100. End of story.

> Russia is a civilian aircraft producer Massive difference between airliners and aircraft. Russia has not shown itself capable of mass manufacturing airliners. (Or even advanced aircraft for that matter.) That said, as a petro state, they’re fine running inefficient engines across their skies.

sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
Are you serious? Look up SSJ-100 production numbers.
- untech 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - untech 2y ago
      I don’t think they are shilling, but they look a bit obsessed with the topic. I wanted to point out to them how this looks from the outside.
  - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
    Dear untech, 1. I am both a Russian and a Russian citizen. 2. I comment a lot on Russia-related topics because I'm a Russian and I know quite a lot about Russia. 3. I'm also a software developer so I enjoy reading most HackerNews content. 4. Talking with people and learning their opinions seems worthwile to me. It's not really a waste of time.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      For what it's worth, I appreciate your comments and find them civil and informative. (American. Comment a lot because Ukraine is my pet war.)
      - untech 2y ago
        What is a pet war?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > What is a pet war? A foreign conflict I’ve adopted for personal interest and to be opinionated about, but over which I have little to no influence or ground truth. The popular ones in America being Ukraine and Gaza. (The unpopular ones: the wars in Sudan, Ethiopia and Burma.)
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Look up SSJ-100 production numbers Now look at them post sanctions. The SSJ-100 contains far more important systems (not parts) [1] than e.g. Embraer’s regional jets. It was designed with consultation from Boeing, including throughout manufacturing. Russia’s indigenous jets are terrible, and there is no reason to expect them to improve, they can’t compete against the Chinese for the anti-Western market. To be fair to Sukhoi, this is how Boeing builds planes. If America were sanctioned by its allies, I’d similarly argue that Boeing, too, is incapable of mass manufacturing airliners. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20190402154855/https://www.uacrussia.ru/en/aircraft/lineup/civil/superjet-100/#history https://web.archive.org/web/20190402154855/https://www.uacru...
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    >The SSJ-100 contains far more important systems (not parts) than e.g. Embraer’s regional jets Embraer jets all use Pratt & Whitney engines which is the hardest part to replace. > they can’t compete against the Chinese for the anti-Western market. All Chinese jet airplanes use Western engines and other systems[0][1]. China can't sell them on the anti-Western market just like Russia wasn't allowed to sell Tu-204SM with PS-90A2 engines co-developed with Pratt & Whitney[2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C909 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C909 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviadvigatel_PS-90#PS-90A2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviadvigatel_PS-90#PS-90A2
- cooljacob204 2y ago
  Compared to other airliners those production number are small.
  - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
    Russia only needs to supply herself, not other markerts. Which manufacturers do you compare with?
    - thodin 2y ago
      Russia officially built only one SSJ in 2024 – RA-89192. But in fact it was originally built in 2022 and it is probably the last SSJ-100 ever produced.
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        >last SSJ-100 ever produced Yes, of course. The version of SSJ-100 with Russian-made engines and other systems is called SJ-100. [0] https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/civil/superjet-100/ https://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/civil/superjet-1...
        thodin 2y ago
        There is no such thing as an SSJ-100 with Russian-made engines, period. Airlines cannot buy them, and you cannot fly them. Even the MC-21 is slightly more realistic, but it is also not available to any airline. We have been hearing this never-ending story of "aircraft will be available in 2 years" for a very long time. :)
        protomolecule 2y ago
        SJ-100 with PD-8 already flew in 2023[0], after a year of fixing engine problems, it is about to fly again. [0] https://viam.ru/news/8822 https://viam.ru/news/8822
- thodin 2y ago
  Russia can't make more SSJ-100. End of story.