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So essentially this news is about 2.5% of the fleet. The article also talks about early airplanes of these models being unreliable.

layer8 2y ago
Yeah, it’s more about the maintenance requirements of these models than anything else.
the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
What is "the fleet"? This hits different companies in different ways. S7 which prior to the war was a very well received and modern airline has a meaningful number of those. For S7 31 out of 39 planes (with those engines) are out of service or about to go out of service. The total fleet today is only around 85 planes depending on how you count, and most of the planes that were ordered are not being produced for S7 at the moment. That's a pretty significant blow to the airline.
- sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
  Total fleet of civilian airplanes. Specifically S7 seems to be quite impacted (and they're about the only company impacted), but it sounds like it's mostly due to the low quality of these planes.
  - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
    The problem is not the planes, but the maintenance requirements for the engines on those planes and Russia cannot do any maintenance due to the sanctions. In general flying in Russia has been a pretty questionable experience since the beginning of the war. Their regulator is still barely functional at this moment and a lot of secrecy is happening. For instance you will find barely any incidents reports any more. We have been intentionally avoiding Russian airlines for flights in and out of Russia for our family for the last few years due to safety concerns.
    - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
      I haven't heard of any accidents in civilian air traffic in Russia in last few years. Of course you're free to make your choices. Anyway, don't overestimate the issue: 2.5% of the fleet seems to be grounded right now.
      - jhugo 2y ago
        Hmm, I think you may have just not been paying attention? There was the Superjet that crashed and burned at Lukhovitsy just a few months ago, the A320 that ran out of fuel and landed in the field near Novosibirsk a year ago, the AN26 that crashed in 2021, the Superjet that crashed and burned at Moscow in 2019…
        sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
        I forgot about the incident at Lukhovitsy - that was w/o passengers. 2019/2021 incidents are completely out of scope of "recent years".
        jhugo 2y ago
        And another Superjet, arriving at Antalya from Sochi, yesterday.
      - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
        > I haven't heard of any accidents in civilian air traffic in Russia in last few years. Not very hard, now that reports are no longer publicly available. Prior to 2022 you would still find that information on avherald and other places. That said, even with the little amount of information going out, in the last 5 years alone Russia had at least 8 hull losses with more than 80 fatalities.
      - throw0101d 2y ago
        > I haven't heard of any accidents in civilian air traffic in Russia in last few years. Do we count the (possible) "on-purposes" in the accident† count? * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733 † "Accident" is discouraged as a term, generally speaking: https://crashnotaccident.com https://crashnotaccident.com
lawn 2y ago
It's also hints at the much larger maintenance problem that Russia has.
- sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
  Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

layer8 2y ago

Yeah, it’s more about the maintenance requirements of these models than anything else.

the_mitsuhiko 2y ago

What is "the fleet"? This hits different companies in different ways. S7 which prior to the war was a very well received and modern airline has a meaningful number of those. For S7 31 out of 39 planes (with those engines) are out of service or about to go out of service. The total fleet today is only around 85 planes depending on how you count, and most of the planes that were ordered are not being produced for S7 at the moment. That's a pretty significant blow to the airline.

sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
Total fleet of civilian airplanes. Specifically S7 seems to be quite impacted (and they're about the only company impacted), but it sounds like it's mostly due to the low quality of these planes.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
  The problem is not the planes, but the maintenance requirements for the engines on those planes and Russia cannot do any maintenance due to the sanctions. In general flying in Russia has been a pretty questionable experience since the beginning of the war. Their regulator is still barely functional at this moment and a lot of secrecy is happening. For instance you will find barely any incidents reports any more. We have been intentionally avoiding Russian airlines for flights in and out of Russia for our family for the last few years due to safety concerns.
  - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
    I haven't heard of any accidents in civilian air traffic in Russia in last few years. Of course you're free to make your choices. Anyway, don't overestimate the issue: 2.5% of the fleet seems to be grounded right now.
    - jhugo 2y ago
      Hmm, I think you may have just not been paying attention? There was the Superjet that crashed and burned at Lukhovitsy just a few months ago, the A320 that ran out of fuel and landed in the field near Novosibirsk a year ago, the AN26 that crashed in 2021, the Superjet that crashed and burned at Moscow in 2019…
      - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
        I forgot about the incident at Lukhovitsy - that was w/o passengers. 2019/2021 incidents are completely out of scope of "recent years".
        jhugo 2y ago
        And another Superjet, arriving at Antalya from Sochi, yesterday.
    - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
      > I haven't heard of any accidents in civilian air traffic in Russia in last few years. Not very hard, now that reports are no longer publicly available. Prior to 2022 you would still find that information on avherald and other places. That said, even with the little amount of information going out, in the last 5 years alone Russia had at least 8 hull losses with more than 80 fatalities.
    - throw0101d 2y ago
      > I haven't heard of any accidents in civilian air traffic in Russia in last few years. Do we count the (possible) "on-purposes" in the accident† count? * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733 † "Accident" is discouraged as a term, generally speaking: https://crashnotaccident.com https://crashnotaccident.com

lawn 2y ago

It's also hints at the much larger maintenance problem that Russia has.

sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
Sounds like wishful thinking to me.