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This is individual cars and in particular mostly heavy SUVs. But if you group this data by car brand, Hyundai has many smaller cars. But all Tesla’s are heavy (

by whazor 2y ago

This is individual cars and in particular mostly heavy SUVs. But if you group this data by car brand, Hyundai has many smaller cars. But all Tesla’s are heavy (and fast!). So stop buying heavy/fast vehicles if you care about fatalities.

volent 2y ago
Or maybe it's not the type of car but the type of person who buys these cars :)
- hackernewds 2y ago
  We're veering into the pew pew topic territory. It is the cars :)
- theGeatZhopa 2y ago
  Two days ago: I was walking down the road, beside me a young man with airpods on. He was walking on a side lane which is intended for parking lots. Suddenly, a Tesla was driving behind him with about the same speed, but at a distance of less than 10cm behind him.. forcing him off the street. He didn't hear or see the car. So, how stupid a driver must be to drive that close behind a walking one? It's Tesla drivers. In Germany I saw that kind of behavior more than once.
  - simondotau 2y ago
    If someone could drive "less than 10cm behind" a pedestrian without them noticing, my reaction is to be impressed with such astonishingly precise driving.
    - stanski 2y ago
      Astonishingly precise driving should be reserved for a closed circuit, not a public street, where there are a million other variables you can't control. That's why a good driver in public is a smooth and predictable one, not one who can just parallel park with 2 cm space in one go every time.
    - theGeatZhopa 2y ago
      The pedestrian guy did not hear the Tesla. And the Tesla was really that close. I saw it and thought what the heck is happening - even if the road is yours, why would you choose to drive that close to a pedestrian - who at any time can choose to stop or to turn around. It's stupid, because if the Tesla would even slightly touch the pedestrian, it would be a serious problem for the driver. I looked at the Tesla driver, then the pedestrian noticed something is wrong and then noticed the Tesla, too, and left the lane. This is a very risky and reckless driving behavior. I've seen such behavior from young guys wanting to impress or some stupid drivers with fast cars who things the roads are belong to them. The Tesla driver was about 50y old. I've should have made a video and post it here. No one believes me :)
      - simondotau 2y ago
        I don’t believe you. When the two entities are a wheeled vehicle and a bipedal animal, the differences in locomotion are too different to achieve a sub-10cm clearance.
        theGeatZhopa 2y ago
        I think Tesla used some sort of adaptive cruise control or FSD :)
        simondotau 2y ago
        Obviously not true.
        theGeatZhopa 2y ago
        You're questioning what you didn't see by yourself and can't imagine that a car can drive as fast 7km/h without any help of cruise control? Ok..
        simondotau 2y ago
        I'm not questioning what you said, I'm saying that you are wrong. It's obviously not true that "adaptive cruise control or FSD" could explain your anecdote. Adaptive cruise does not engage in a Tesla unless the road is marked and painted. FSD is not available in Germany. Even if it was, it's far too cautious around pedestrians, it wouldn't allow itself to get within 1 metre of a pedestrian let alone 0.1 metres. It's also obviously not true that "Tesla used" anything, because the car in your anecdote was owned and operated by a (presumably) licensed driver and not by Tesla. A better hypothesis for your anecdote is that the driver was French and not that driving a Tesla vehicle somehow reprograms human brains to drive dangerously.
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simondotau 2y ago
> So stop buying heavy/fast vehicles if you care about fatalities. The report makes precisely the opposite claim. It says small cars have a higher rate of fatal accidents. From the report: "When broken out by size, small cars have the highest fatal accident rate while midsize and full-size cars are both below average. While modern small cars benefit from the latest engineering and safety tech, they still have a size and weight disadvantage in accidents with a larger vehicle."[0] Perhaps you are right and weight is a critical factor, but then you'll need to explain why the heavy Model S was lower in their rankings than the Toyota Prius. It should also be noted that Tesla vehicles are generally lighter than most comparable EVs, and typically 0–10% heavier than comparable ICE cars. I contend that this report is junk data. The authors haven't published the statistics (or methodology for collecting the statistics) used to normalise the raw NHTSA FARS data. Without it, its conclusions are as useless as you might suspect when looking at their top 23 list. (I wonder... if we knew what the 24th car was, would we know more about the motivations of the authors?) That the only automaker name in the headlines stemming from this report is Tesla is proof that there's no intellectual integrity associated with its dissemination — it's just vibe, and an opportunity for people to push their pet explanations, even when the report itself contradicts them. Or when the pet explanation doesn't make sense of literally any data point. [0] https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

by whazor 2y ago

volent 2y ago

Or maybe it's not the type of car but the type of person who buys these cars :)

hackernewds 2y ago
We're veering into the pew pew topic territory. It is the cars :)
theGeatZhopa 2y ago
Two days ago: I was walking down the road, beside me a young man with airpods on. He was walking on a side lane which is intended for parking lots. Suddenly, a Tesla was driving behind him with about the same speed, but at a distance of less than 10cm behind him.. forcing him off the street. He didn't hear or see the car. So, how stupid a driver must be to drive that close behind a walking one? It's Tesla drivers. In Germany I saw that kind of behavior more than once.
- simondotau 2y ago
  If someone could drive "less than 10cm behind" a pedestrian without them noticing, my reaction is to be impressed with such astonishingly precise driving.
  - stanski 2y ago
    Astonishingly precise driving should be reserved for a closed circuit, not a public street, where there are a million other variables you can't control. That's why a good driver in public is a smooth and predictable one, not one who can just parallel park with 2 cm space in one go every time.
  - theGeatZhopa 2y ago
    The pedestrian guy did not hear the Tesla. And the Tesla was really that close. I saw it and thought what the heck is happening - even if the road is yours, why would you choose to drive that close to a pedestrian - who at any time can choose to stop or to turn around. It's stupid, because if the Tesla would even slightly touch the pedestrian, it would be a serious problem for the driver. I looked at the Tesla driver, then the pedestrian noticed something is wrong and then noticed the Tesla, too, and left the lane. This is a very risky and reckless driving behavior. I've seen such behavior from young guys wanting to impress or some stupid drivers with fast cars who things the roads are belong to them. The Tesla driver was about 50y old. I've should have made a video and post it here. No one believes me :)
    - simondotau 2y ago
      I don’t believe you. When the two entities are a wheeled vehicle and a bipedal animal, the differences in locomotion are too different to achieve a sub-10cm clearance.
      - theGeatZhopa 2y ago
        I think Tesla used some sort of adaptive cruise control or FSD :)
        simondotau 2y ago
        Obviously not true.
        theGeatZhopa 2y ago
        You're questioning what you didn't see by yourself and can't imagine that a car can drive as fast 7km/h without any help of cruise control? Ok..
        simondotau 2y ago
        I'm not questioning what you said, I'm saying that you are wrong. It's obviously not true that "adaptive cruise control or FSD" could explain your anecdote. Adaptive cruise does not engage in a Tesla unless the road is marked and painted. FSD is not available in Germany. Even if it was, it's far too cautious around pedestrians, it wouldn't allow itself to get within 1 metre of a pedestrian let alone 0.1 metres. It's also obviously not true that "Tesla used" anything, because the car in your anecdote was owned and operated by a (presumably) licensed driver and not by Tesla. A better hypothesis for your anecdote is that the driver was French and not that driving a Tesla vehicle somehow reprograms human brains to drive dangerously.
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simondotau 2y ago

> So stop buying heavy/fast vehicles if you care about fatalities. The report makes precisely the opposite claim. It says small cars have a higher rate of fatal accidents. From the report: "When broken out by size, small cars have the highest fatal accident rate while midsize and full-size cars are both below average. While modern small cars benefit from the latest engineering and safety tech, they still have a size and weight disadvantage in accidents with a larger vehicle."[0] Perhaps you are right and weight is a critical factor, but then you'll need to explain why the heavy Model S was lower in their rankings than the Toyota Prius. It should also be noted that Tesla vehicles are generally lighter than most comparable EVs, and typically 0–10% heavier than comparable ICE cars. I contend that this report is junk data. The authors haven't published the statistics (or methodology for collecting the statistics) used to normalise the raw NHTSA FARS data. Without it, its conclusions are as useless as you might suspect when looking at their top 23 list. (I wonder... if we knew what the 24th car was, would we know more about the motivations of the authors?) That the only automaker name in the headlines stemming from this report is Tesla is proof that there's no intellectual integrity associated with its dissemination — it's just vibe, and an opportunity for people to push their pet explanations, even when the report itself contradicts them. Or when the pet explanation doesn't make sense of literally any data point. [0] https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024 https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024