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We really oughta institute the death penalty for execs involved in shit like this.

by xvector 2y ago

throwaway14356 2y ago
don't word it like that! it should be a punishment that sufficiently discourages repetition
treetalker 2y ago
Skin in the game prevents a lot of problems.
- Nasrudith 2y ago
  Nah, it just appeases bloodlust. The main reason why criminals commit crimes? Because they don't think they'll get caught. Going arbitrarily draconian has limited returns at best, and escalates things at worst. (If the crime is punishable by death why on earth would they let witnesses live?) Compared to increasing the (perceived) odds of being caught.
  - treetalker 2y ago
    To be clear, the comment I was responding to mentioned severe punishment; at no time did I promote the death penalty or any corporal punishment. "Skin in the game" simply means incentives and disincentives: if people can act behind the guise of an entity and without repercussions (privatizing benefits and socializing losses/detriments) then society ends up worse off.
Ekaros 2y ago
Too easy, I recommend life in prison working as slave labour to pay off all damages with interest set to reasonable rate, say prevailing rate +10%. And this should also apply to all stock holders. Clearly it is time to do away with limited liability.
netsharc 2y ago
Heh, in real dystopia, terrorist groups pay the family of suicide bombers for their "sacrifice". In your dystopia, boards of failing/lying companies will employ suicide CEOs just before they get caught...
- MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
  "This was the story of Howard Beale: the first known instance of a man who was killed because he had lousy ratings."
gruez 2y ago
Surely you'd also support the death penalty for developers that cause multi-million dollar bugs?
- ProjectArcturis 2y ago
  Bugs are unintentional. This was massive intentional theft.
  - gruez 2y ago
    There's no indication that's the case though? If the standard of evidence for executing CEOs is "maybe because there's embezzling going on because lack of records will help an embezzler", then it seems fair to execute programmers for introducing 0days because "maybe it's an intentional backdoor because a well placed memory corruption bug would help hackers". Even before the xz backdoor, accusations of vulnerabilities being intentional backdoors isn't uncommon.

We really oughta institute the death penalty for execs involved in shit like this.

throwaway14356 2y ago

don't word it like that! it should be a punishment that sufficiently discourages repetition

treetalker 2y ago

Skin in the game prevents a lot of problems.

Nasrudith 2y ago
Nah, it just appeases bloodlust. The main reason why criminals commit crimes? Because they don't think they'll get caught. Going arbitrarily draconian has limited returns at best, and escalates things at worst. (If the crime is punishable by death why on earth would they let witnesses live?) Compared to increasing the (perceived) odds of being caught.
- treetalker 2y ago
  To be clear, the comment I was responding to mentioned severe punishment; at no time did I promote the death penalty or any corporal punishment. "Skin in the game" simply means incentives and disincentives: if people can act behind the guise of an entity and without repercussions (privatizing benefits and socializing losses/detriments) then society ends up worse off.

Ekaros 2y ago

Too easy, I recommend life in prison working as slave labour to pay off all damages with interest set to reasonable rate, say prevailing rate +10%. And this should also apply to all stock holders. Clearly it is time to do away with limited liability.

netsharc 2y ago

Heh, in real dystopia, terrorist groups pay the family of suicide bombers for their "sacrifice". In your dystopia, boards of failing/lying companies will employ suicide CEOs just before they get caught...

MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
"This was the story of Howard Beale: the first known instance of a man who was killed because he had lousy ratings."

gruez 2y ago

Surely you'd also support the death penalty for developers that cause multi-million dollar bugs?

ProjectArcturis 2y ago
Bugs are unintentional. This was massive intentional theft.
- gruez 2y ago
  There's no indication that's the case though? If the standard of evidence for executing CEOs is "maybe because there's embezzling going on because lack of records will help an embezzler", then it seems fair to execute programmers for introducing 0days because "maybe it's an intentional backdoor because a well placed memory corruption bug would help hackers". Even before the xz backdoor, accusations of vulnerabilities being intentional backdoors isn't uncommon.