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What We Learned from Red Teaming Our Top Charities
- cide1 2y agoDon't re-define red teaming.
- Atreiden 2y agoSeconded. This looks like a good ol' fashioned audit to me. No need to co-opt a term that means something else entirely.
- nomilk 2y agoThirded. I mentally translated 'Red Teaming' to 'audited' / 'reviewed'. To be fair, what they're doing is good. Just that the wording is a little extravagant.
- fasthandle 2y agoTerm inflation. In half a generation, audit will be relabelled re-teaming. It's ironic.
- executesorder66 2y agoAgreed. I thought this was going to be about infiltrating charities to see how corrupt they were or something. But granted your typical charity has no idea of what the jargon is in the security (or even broader technical) field, and so "red teaming" is a vague enough phrase that could mean anything.
- snapcaster 2y agoYes thank you. It's a pet peeve of mine when tech people start using tech terms for things that already have widely understood meanings. Like "audit" you numbskulls
- CoastalCoder 2y agoAs someone who's been raising teenagers for the past decade, their language confusion is driving me crazy. E.g.: "legitimately", and "literally". Successfully correcting them on "I" vs "me" vs "myself" is now just a distant fantasy. Sigh.
- CoastalCoder 2y agoI'd argue the title here should be changed, since the original is so (unintentionally) misleading.
- FL33TW00D 2y agoDonate to GiveWell: https://secure.givewell.org/ https://secure.givewell.org/
- joshuaissac 2y agoAccording to the article, what they did was: > We dedicated a team of ~5 research staff to work full-time for 2 weeks for each top charity. > The majority of this dedicated team did not have significant experience investigating these areas, giving them the advantage of a relatively unbiased starting point. > An additional 5-7 researchers with more expertise in these areas of our research provided support by answering questions and assessing the red team’s arguments. So there was no red teaming. It was instead an independent analysis of the assumptions, actions and processes of the charities in question.
- snapcaster 2y agoYeah it's literally just an audit, i don't know why it annoys me so much that they called it "red teaming" but it's actually really pissing me off. Maybe woke up on wrong side of the bed today
- mst 2y agoI think they conceptualised it as red teaming their *own* analysis. Givewell, being EAish, is generally staffed by people steeped in ratadj and/or nerd culture, so that seeming like a natural way of describing it to them seems unsurprising. I mean, I do see your point, and "getting grumpy about such things" is very definitely not an experience I'm personally unfamiliar with, but in context I can't quite bring myself to be annoyed about this specific instance :D
- samvher 2y agoIs ratadj a misspelling of something? I've spent some time in EA circles and I don't know what it is, wondering if I'm missing something.
- beala 2y agoIt's short for rat adjacent or rationalist adjacent. These are communities that are related to or originally spun off of the rationalist community.
- josephmiller 2y agoIn classic hacker news style, all the comments so far are nitpicking the definition of the word red-teaming. Yes, they are "red-teaming" their own research.
- snapcaster 2y agoNo they aren't, they're auditing it
- Dilettante_ 2y agoWe're just pentesting the headline
- aaron695 2y ago[dead]
- ctoth 2y agoOkay...a lot of the time HN flags something I'm like "fair enough whatever." But this? Really? Can't imagine what the heck might make it flagworthy other than the people who didn't know the origin of Red Team and polluted the comments.