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I've been taking the exact opposite view: Android is a messy, ugly OS, from the unmaintained hacked-up kernels to the user-hostile UI, and I've wished that they

I've been taking the exact opposite view: Android is a messy, ugly OS, from the unmaintained hacked-up kernels to the user-hostile UI, and I've wished that they'd scrap it and rebase those usecases onto the shockingly vanilla Gentoo spin that is ChromeOS.

b112 2y ago
I'd just be happy if by law, security updates had to be updated monthly, with weekly and daily for certain criticals, for a minimum of 5 years. And maybe a 10% revenue fine, yes revenue, for each missed metric.
- bigfatkitten 2y ago
  Chrome OS devices (depending on release date) are good for up to 10 years. https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en
- eviks 2y ago
  Such a draconian measure for measly 5 years?
- anybody8824 2y ago
  In the EU, this will be the case from next year on (2025-06-20). No monthly security patch frequency requirement, but instead "security updates [...] need to be available to the user at the latest 4 months after the public release of the source code of an update of the underlying operating system" [1]. Complying with this new regulation and bumping the Linux kernel version during the device life cycle was also a topic at this year's Linux Plumbers Android MC. [2][3]. This is necessary because the Linux LTS support timeframe is shorter than the by law mandated minimum support period of 5 years. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41128358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41128358 [1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1670/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1670/oj [2] https://youtu.be/b9xXCNYMWjY?si=yxDJUbJHko8HvFTA&t=458 https://youtu.be/b9xXCNYMWjY?si=yxDJUbJHko8HvFTA&t=458 [3] https://lpc.events/event/18/contributions/1740/attachments/1458/3412/Device%20Longevity.pdf#page=8 https://lpc.events/event/18/contributions/1740/attachments/1...
graemep 2y ago
I agree. On top of that Android apps are designed for use on phones. Some of them are not even particularly good on tablets, and they will be horrible on laptops.
kotaKat 2y ago
Meanwhile I wish ChromeOS would pivot BACK to just being a browser window and nothing else. I didn't want the windowing experience that ChromeOS added down the line -- I wanted just that simple Chrome browser window, full screen, and nothing else. As soon as they added a taskbar and made it behave like every other generic desktop environment, it became crap.
ChocolateGod 2y ago
I agree, on ChromeOS it's entirely possible for their to be generic images that support a wide ranges of devices all sharing the same update path (like Windows, MacOS). on Android? very much still in the embedded space on how it's built. Linux on ARM is generally still a shit show. I'd rather ChromeOS get a Android runtime (not a VM) and replace Android, than the other way around.

b112 2y ago

I'd just be happy if by law, security updates had to be updated monthly, with weekly and daily for certain criticals, for a minimum of 5 years. And maybe a 10% revenue fine, yes revenue, for each missed metric.

bigfatkitten 2y ago
Chrome OS devices (depending on release date) are good for up to 10 years. https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en
eviks 2y ago
Such a draconian measure for measly 5 years?
anybody8824 2y ago
In the EU, this will be the case from next year on (2025-06-20). No monthly security patch frequency requirement, but instead "security updates [...] need to be available to the user at the latest 4 months after the public release of the source code of an update of the underlying operating system" [1]. Complying with this new regulation and bumping the Linux kernel version during the device life cycle was also a topic at this year's Linux Plumbers Android MC. [2][3]. This is necessary because the Linux LTS support timeframe is shorter than the by law mandated minimum support period of 5 years. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41128358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41128358 [1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1670/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1670/oj [2] https://youtu.be/b9xXCNYMWjY?si=yxDJUbJHko8HvFTA&t=458 https://youtu.be/b9xXCNYMWjY?si=yxDJUbJHko8HvFTA&t=458 [3] https://lpc.events/event/18/contributions/1740/attachments/1458/3412/Device%20Longevity.pdf#page=8 https://lpc.events/event/18/contributions/1740/attachments/1...

graemep 2y ago

I agree. On top of that Android apps are designed for use on phones. Some of them are not even particularly good on tablets, and they will be horrible on laptops.

kotaKat 2y ago

Meanwhile I wish ChromeOS would pivot BACK to just being a browser window and nothing else. I didn't want the windowing experience that ChromeOS added down the line -- I wanted just that simple Chrome browser window, full screen, and nothing else. As soon as they added a taskbar and made it behave like every other generic desktop environment, it became crap.

ChocolateGod 2y ago

I agree, on ChromeOS it's entirely possible for their to be generic images that support a wide ranges of devices all sharing the same update path (like Windows, MacOS). on Android? very much still in the embedded space on how it's built. Linux on ARM is generally still a shit show. I'd rather ChromeOS get a Android runtime (not a VM) and replace Android, than the other way around.