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Very good, but needs more furry art.

by miah_ 2y ago

Kye 2y ago
Agreed.
- thirdtruck 2y ago
  Much more furry art.
vaylian 2y ago
There is a huge overlap between the furry community and the infosec community. Furry art is very fitting for articles like this one.
- Loughla 2y ago
  Why is that? I have noticed that the deeper you get into infosec the furrier it gets. Has anyone studied that? I feel like there's something to that.
  - some_furry 2y ago
    I wrote a blog post a few years ago that explores some hypotheses, but this is not a scientific paper by any means. https://soatok.blog/2021/06/02/why-furries-make-excellent-hackers/ https://soatok.blog/2021/06/02/why-furries-make-excellent-ha...
  - Kye 2y ago
    It might have something to do with the furry community being queer majority from early on, and starting in a time where information security was a personal matter of life and death. If actual research exists, Furscience might know: https://furscience.com/general-inquiries/ https://furscience.com/general-inquiries/
    - Jerrrry 2y ago
      That and cultural specificities make furry costumes an intelligencia budget item
    - PrismCrystal 2y ago
      How early on is that? What I remember of furry culture from the early-mid 1990s internet was pretty straight, at least to judge from all the announcements of heterosexual marriages, all the porn going around, and prominent internet-furry voices. I was a bit surprised when furry culture saw a resurgence in wider internet culture during the Tumblr era and now was strongly linked to non-cishet themes.
      - Kye 2y ago
        Bi and similar are also queer. A lot of what appears "straight" is by and for people who are some variety of not monosexual. I've actually seen rants from people outside the fandom claiming it's "all straight men" using example art that I knew for a fact was made by someone who was neither straight nor a man. Here's a good documentary that gets into the history of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv0QaTW3kEY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv0QaTW3kEY
  - wyager 2y ago
    Computer industries have correlated psychometric selection effects with a bunch of subcultures. Many of these select for e.g. what is colloquially referred to as "autism", although that term refers to several probably-unrelated things in different contexts.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    I think it has to do with the timing and history of the internet, which carried a bunch of correlated groups (not just those two) forward together. Both are fairly niche groups with no real geographic concentration. When someone can't cast around for a local club in town, the internet becomes a game-changer for finding the far-flung and diffuse others in the group. Then once you've found those other people (and related furry/security media to consume/publish) computers are again the way to get anything done, as opposed to snail-mail, phone calls or physical travel.
pavel_lishin 2y ago
I'm just thrilled to read something that's not peppered with the blandest AI art imaginable.
thadt 2y ago
> needs more furry art Hard disagree. I need to forward this post to my CISO and have them be impressed with my breadth of reading and depth of knowledge. When we chat over brewskies later, I want to be able to casually ask what they thought about using HMAC-SHA512 instead of GHASH for making salamanders more opaque. But I can't do that because the number of cartoon furries will make them think I'm not totes profesh. Maybe we can get this post in a more professional setting like LinkedIn or something? And that ^ is how you invoke more furry art.
zzo38computer 2y ago
I think it doesn't. The art included in there is not of a bad quality, and they do link to the details of the artists including other art they had made which is also good. But it does not really help with this article, either. They do not seem to be made specifically for this article; they show things which do not have much to do with it (this is not a criticism of the art or of the article, but of the way that the art is included in this article). It seems unnecessary to me to add such things into this article (it just takes up more space).
- Kye 2y ago
  We are bested

Very good, but needs more furry art.

by miah_ 2y ago

Very good, but needs more furry art.

Kye 2y ago

Agreed.

thirdtruck 2y ago
Much more furry art.

vaylian 2y ago

There is a huge overlap between the furry community and the infosec community. Furry art is very fitting for articles like this one.

Loughla 2y ago
Why is that? I have noticed that the deeper you get into infosec the furrier it gets. Has anyone studied that? I feel like there's something to that.
- some_furry 2y ago
  I wrote a blog post a few years ago that explores some hypotheses, but this is not a scientific paper by any means. https://soatok.blog/2021/06/02/why-furries-make-excellent-hackers/ https://soatok.blog/2021/06/02/why-furries-make-excellent-ha...
- Kye 2y ago
  It might have something to do with the furry community being queer majority from early on, and starting in a time where information security was a personal matter of life and death. If actual research exists, Furscience might know: https://furscience.com/general-inquiries/ https://furscience.com/general-inquiries/
  - Jerrrry 2y ago
    That and cultural specificities make furry costumes an intelligencia budget item
  - PrismCrystal 2y ago
    How early on is that? What I remember of furry culture from the early-mid 1990s internet was pretty straight, at least to judge from all the announcements of heterosexual marriages, all the porn going around, and prominent internet-furry voices. I was a bit surprised when furry culture saw a resurgence in wider internet culture during the Tumblr era and now was strongly linked to non-cishet themes.
    - Kye 2y ago
      Bi and similar are also queer. A lot of what appears "straight" is by and for people who are some variety of not monosexual. I've actually seen rants from people outside the fandom claiming it's "all straight men" using example art that I knew for a fact was made by someone who was neither straight nor a man. Here's a good documentary that gets into the history of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv0QaTW3kEY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv0QaTW3kEY
- wyager 2y ago
  Computer industries have correlated psychometric selection effects with a bunch of subcultures. Many of these select for e.g. what is colloquially referred to as "autism", although that term refers to several probably-unrelated things in different contexts.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  I think it has to do with the timing and history of the internet, which carried a bunch of correlated groups (not just those two) forward together. Both are fairly niche groups with no real geographic concentration. When someone can't cast around for a local club in town, the internet becomes a game-changer for finding the far-flung and diffuse others in the group. Then once you've found those other people (and related furry/security media to consume/publish) computers are again the way to get anything done, as opposed to snail-mail, phone calls or physical travel.

pavel_lishin 2y ago

I'm just thrilled to read something that's not peppered with the blandest AI art imaginable.

thadt 2y ago

> needs more furry art Hard disagree. I need to forward this post to my CISO and have them be impressed with my breadth of reading and depth of knowledge. When we chat over brewskies later, I want to be able to casually ask what they thought about using HMAC-SHA512 instead of GHASH for making salamanders more opaque. But I can't do that because the number of cartoon furries will make them think I'm not totes profesh. Maybe we can get this post in a more professional setting like LinkedIn or something? And that ^ is how you invoke more furry art.

zzo38computer 2y ago

I think it doesn't. The art included in there is not of a bad quality, and they do link to the details of the artists including other art they had made which is also good. But it does not really help with this article, either. They do not seem to be made specifically for this article; they show things which do not have much to do with it (this is not a criticism of the art or of the article, but of the way that the art is included in this article). It seems unnecessary to me to add such things into this article (it just takes up more space).

Kye 2y ago
We are bested