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I think it's more about low-end mobile GPUs which WebGPU needs to support too (which is also the main reason why Vulkan is such a mess). The feature gap between

I think it's more about low-end mobile GPUs which WebGPU needs to support too (which is also the main reason why Vulkan is such a mess). The feature gap between the low- and high-end is bigger than ever before and will most likely continue to grow.

pjmlp 2y ago
I am yet to see anyone deliver in WebGL something at the level of Infinity Blade that Apple used to demo OpenGL ES 3.0 capabilities of their 2011 iPhone model, a mobile phone GPU from almost 15 years ago. Unless we are talking about cool shadertoy examples.
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  That's more a business problem than a technical problem. Web games are in a local maximum of minimal production cost (via 2D assets) versus maximized profits (via free-2-play), and as long as this works well there won't be an Infinity Blade because it's too expensive to produce.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Yeah, but then what do we want this technology for, besides visualisations and shadertoy demos? Streaming solves the business case, with native APIs using server side rendering.
    - flohofwoe 2y ago
      At least it breaks up a chicken-egg problem, and the most interesting use cases are the ones that nobody was expecting anyway. > Streaming solves the business case, with native APIs using server side rendering. And yet history is littered with the dead husks of game streaming services ;)
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        The chicken egg problem caused by killing Flash games, and that nowadays no one cares about the browser, because everyone doing Flash moved into mobile phones or Steam, with better APIs? Game Pass, GeForce Now, are doing alright. Stadia failed, because Google doesn't get games industry.
- miloignis 2y ago
  Tiny Glade? https://store.steampowered.com/app/2198150/Tiny_Glade/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/2198150/Tiny_Glade/
  - ladyanita22 2y ago
    Tiny Glade is Vulkan, not WebGPU. Not sure which library though
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Where is the URL for the game on the browser?
- astlouis44 2y ago
  Try this Unreal Engine 5 WebGPU demo: https://play.spacelancers.com/ https://play.spacelancers.com/
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Demo, not game. Shadertoy is full of impressive demos.

pjmlp 2y ago

I am yet to see anyone deliver in WebGL something at the level of Infinity Blade that Apple used to demo OpenGL ES 3.0 capabilities of their 2011 iPhone model, a mobile phone GPU from almost 15 years ago. Unless we are talking about cool shadertoy examples.

flohofwoe 2y ago
That's more a business problem than a technical problem. Web games are in a local maximum of minimal production cost (via 2D assets) versus maximized profits (via free-2-play), and as long as this works well there won't be an Infinity Blade because it's too expensive to produce.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Yeah, but then what do we want this technology for, besides visualisations and shadertoy demos? Streaming solves the business case, with native APIs using server side rendering.
  - flohofwoe 2y ago
    At least it breaks up a chicken-egg problem, and the most interesting use cases are the ones that nobody was expecting anyway. > Streaming solves the business case, with native APIs using server side rendering. And yet history is littered with the dead husks of game streaming services ;)
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      The chicken egg problem caused by killing Flash games, and that nowadays no one cares about the browser, because everyone doing Flash moved into mobile phones or Steam, with better APIs? Game Pass, GeForce Now, are doing alright. Stadia failed, because Google doesn't get games industry.
miloignis 2y ago
Tiny Glade? https://store.steampowered.com/app/2198150/Tiny_Glade/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/2198150/Tiny_Glade/
- ladyanita22 2y ago
  Tiny Glade is Vulkan, not WebGPU. Not sure which library though
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Where is the URL for the game on the browser?
astlouis44 2y ago
Try this Unreal Engine 5 WebGPU demo: https://play.spacelancers.com/ https://play.spacelancers.com/
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Demo, not game. Shadertoy is full of impressive demos.