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>Get the prices down, and people will buy EVs. That sounds good and all, but how would you expect to get the prices down without loosing money and while still

>Get the prices down, and people will buy EVs. That sounds good and all, but how would you expect to get the prices down without loosing money and while still employing western workers at western standards of living? Prices don't come down magically just because you want them to. EVs also have the range/public charging issue buyers are fleeing from, not just the price alone. Once you exhausted the market of buyers who can install chargers at home, the rest is impossible to cater to when public charging infrastructure is so shitty and expensive compared to those who have it at home or tanking at gas stations. The government needs first to invest in cheap and plentiful public EV charging infrastructure if they wish to entice non-home-owners to switch from their ICEs. But when public chargers charge you through the nose for electricity (and loitering time!), they have shitty and buggy UX, or are broken half the time, why would you ever get an EV in favor of an ICE?

pjmlp 2y ago
The consequence being, that whatever deadlines goverments set for full EV transition will be ignored, or dropped, when the large majority of population keeps driving ICE.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  It is, because the deadline for the EV switch in the EU was arbitrarily set on idealist wishful thinking that sounded good on paper, and not on calculated pragmatism based on economic potential, working class purchasing power, local automotive industry capabilities, public EV infrastructure investment and development, potential world conflicts and economic/trade issues, etc. It's easy for politicians to say "we want an amazing outcome in 15 years where everything is green" and for voters to agree with that, the issue comes when the rubber hits the road, especially as the politicians who made the original promise won't be in power anymore by then. I would also wish to look like Chris Hemsworth from Thor in 5 years time, but when I actually look into my genetics, diet and exercise regimen, that aint gonna happe without some very radical and mostly uncomfortable life changes that deep down I know I won't be able to do. I'm not gonna suddenly wake up with the six pack while I keep my existing lifestyle. Similarly, the EU is not gonna wake up to an EV future in 10 years while doing everything like before. EU politicians and EU voters wants idealist outcomes (cheap green energy, EVs everywhere, welfare state, affordable housing, good paying jobs with social benefits) without putting in the radical (and maybe even unrealistic) changes needed to achieve those goals: energy independence on the cheap, manufacturing independence, investing in research, innovation and start-ups, investing in defense independence, investing in public housing and infrastructure, etc
beretguy 2y ago
> how would you expect to get the prices down Get rid off dealerships.
purplethinking 2y ago
Tesla managed to do exactly that, why not Ford? They also started from nothing, built out a massive super charger network to support their cars, as a startup basically.

pjmlp 2y ago

The consequence being, that whatever deadlines goverments set for full EV transition will be ignored, or dropped, when the large majority of population keeps driving ICE.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
It is, because the deadline for the EV switch in the EU was arbitrarily set on idealist wishful thinking that sounded good on paper, and not on calculated pragmatism based on economic potential, working class purchasing power, local automotive industry capabilities, public EV infrastructure investment and development, potential world conflicts and economic/trade issues, etc. It's easy for politicians to say "we want an amazing outcome in 15 years where everything is green" and for voters to agree with that, the issue comes when the rubber hits the road, especially as the politicians who made the original promise won't be in power anymore by then. I would also wish to look like Chris Hemsworth from Thor in 5 years time, but when I actually look into my genetics, diet and exercise regimen, that aint gonna happe without some very radical and mostly uncomfortable life changes that deep down I know I won't be able to do. I'm not gonna suddenly wake up with the six pack while I keep my existing lifestyle. Similarly, the EU is not gonna wake up to an EV future in 10 years while doing everything like before. EU politicians and EU voters wants idealist outcomes (cheap green energy, EVs everywhere, welfare state, affordable housing, good paying jobs with social benefits) without putting in the radical (and maybe even unrealistic) changes needed to achieve those goals: energy independence on the cheap, manufacturing independence, investing in research, innovation and start-ups, investing in defense independence, investing in public housing and infrastructure, etc

beretguy 2y ago

> how would you expect to get the prices down Get rid off dealerships.

purplethinking 2y ago

Tesla managed to do exactly that, why not Ford? They also started from nothing, built out a massive super charger network to support their cars, as a startup basically.