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The problem is that so much of maleness is stuff like the male libido, which is a bad, no good, horrible, terrible thing which one must be ashamed of and stigma

The problem is that so much of maleness is stuff like the male libido, which is a bad, no good, horrible, terrible thing which one must be ashamed of and stigmatized for having. They call it “the male gaze” and try to root it out of the media. Masculinity is porn, soldiers, guns, cars, savior fantasies, and suffering. We will get a positive representation and celebration of masculinity at around the same time when a term like “toxic femininity” gets used as much as toxic masculinity does today.

matrix87 2y ago
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- Jensson 2y ago
  > in the real world it's the opposite, they get offended if you don't get them That is just as sexist of them, they don't own male sexuality if he doesn't get it up for you then you should do better. That is what women say to men at least, do better don't blame the other sex.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Male sexuality is indeed surprised even moreso than female sexuality. There are opportunities to flaunt the latter, but the "ideal male body" is exactly part of how people get into the alt right pipeline. It starts with objectively good advice like "work out and go to the gym to get a good body". Which is surprisingly on the downside in K-12 education. Then it drips in the narrative: "revenge training" to get fit not for your self-esteem but to make a bad breakup regret it, then into the "sigma male grindset", then if you do all this and you still aren't appealing it must be because of women. You worked hard, they don't get it or are too picky, or are looking for some famed gigachad with 8 packs and making 200k a year. It's a slow drip into the pipeline. ---- tangent: but in media male sexuality is much more suppressed too. You can show quite a bit of nudity in R rated films, but absolutely not a boner in any way 99% of the time. I don't think that changes much in society, food for thought.
  - Gud 2y ago
    If you're doing the "sigma male grindset", wouldn't YOU be the one with an 8-pack and 200k a year? Both are absolutely attainable by a motivated male with average intelligence. Not trying to defend any right/left partisan nonsense here.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Both are theoretically attainable but far from practical. And that "possible but really hard" aspect is by design. That sheer gap may make some work harder. It will likely discourage many who will then look for quick solutions, and that's where the next steps set in. Where they either sell you their fitness products or their pyramid scheme.
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
      If that was true, then the average male salary would be higher
  - matrix87 2y ago
    > It starts with objectively good advice like "work out and go to the gym to get a good body" This advice is given almost exclusively by men to other men. Similar to how women enforce toxic beauty standards on other women And I mean, just because you don't see boners in films doesn't mean that society thinks that boners are bad. That's like saying that not seeing vaginas in films means society thinks vaginas are bad
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Well, it's indirectly given by women. You don't hurt get "the body" with purely diet. Gyms I've been to are closer in gender ratio than you'd expect for such societal expectations. Even if women tend to focus more on cardio than men and men focus more on resistance/strength training. And yeah, it's given because it appeals to men. A chance to move about, physically push themselves, perform specific tasks for a specific amount of time, etc. Men and women are drawn to different things (for a variety of reasons), so men just resonate more with that than women. >just because you don't see boners in films doesn't mean that society thinks that boners are bad. That's like saying that not seeing vaginas in films means society thinks vaginas are bad In a vacuum yes. In the history of the MPAA, the reasons and reactions make you wonder... But it's ultimately a non-sequitir. Its just some tangential food for thought.

matrix87 2y ago

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Jensson 2y ago
> in the real world it's the opposite, they get offended if you don't get them That is just as sexist of them, they don't own male sexuality if he doesn't get it up for you then you should do better. That is what women say to men at least, do better don't blame the other sex.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Male sexuality is indeed surprised even moreso than female sexuality. There are opportunities to flaunt the latter, but the "ideal male body" is exactly part of how people get into the alt right pipeline. It starts with objectively good advice like "work out and go to the gym to get a good body". Which is surprisingly on the downside in K-12 education. Then it drips in the narrative: "revenge training" to get fit not for your self-esteem but to make a bad breakup regret it, then into the "sigma male grindset", then if you do all this and you still aren't appealing it must be because of women. You worked hard, they don't get it or are too picky, or are looking for some famed gigachad with 8 packs and making 200k a year. It's a slow drip into the pipeline. ---- tangent: but in media male sexuality is much more suppressed too. You can show quite a bit of nudity in R rated films, but absolutely not a boner in any way 99% of the time. I don't think that changes much in society, food for thought.
- Gud 2y ago
  If you're doing the "sigma male grindset", wouldn't YOU be the one with an 8-pack and 200k a year? Both are absolutely attainable by a motivated male with average intelligence. Not trying to defend any right/left partisan nonsense here.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Both are theoretically attainable but far from practical. And that "possible but really hard" aspect is by design. That sheer gap may make some work harder. It will likely discourage many who will then look for quick solutions, and that's where the next steps set in. Where they either sell you their fitness products or their pyramid scheme.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    If that was true, then the average male salary would be higher
- matrix87 2y ago
  > It starts with objectively good advice like "work out and go to the gym to get a good body" This advice is given almost exclusively by men to other men. Similar to how women enforce toxic beauty standards on other women And I mean, just because you don't see boners in films doesn't mean that society thinks that boners are bad. That's like saying that not seeing vaginas in films means society thinks vaginas are bad
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Well, it's indirectly given by women. You don't hurt get "the body" with purely diet. Gyms I've been to are closer in gender ratio than you'd expect for such societal expectations. Even if women tend to focus more on cardio than men and men focus more on resistance/strength training. And yeah, it's given because it appeals to men. A chance to move about, physically push themselves, perform specific tasks for a specific amount of time, etc. Men and women are drawn to different things (for a variety of reasons), so men just resonate more with that than women. >just because you don't see boners in films doesn't mean that society thinks that boners are bad. That's like saying that not seeing vaginas in films means society thinks vaginas are bad In a vacuum yes. In the history of the MPAA, the reasons and reactions make you wonder... But it's ultimately a non-sequitir. Its just some tangential food for thought.