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I feel bad for all of the boys out there who have the potential to specialize and get a degree but are surrounded by shitty, ignorant male role models. People w
by matrix87 2y ago
I feel bad for all of the boys out there who have the potential to specialize and get a degree but are surrounded by shitty, ignorant male role models. People who have no goals, no sort of ambition left, no desire to learn, they just sit around and pat themselves on the back for being unmotivated
- johnnyanmac 2y agoI think they're the opposite of ignorant. They know boys are angry and purposefully taking advantadge of their need for acceptance to further their own goals, be it money, power, or clout. We have a name for groups who target and isolate vulnerable individuals for personal gain...
- matrix87 2y agoI wasn't just talking about the GOP. Some of these people actually are ignorant, feel bad about it, and try to keep everyone else ignorant so that they feel less bad about themselves
- johnnyanmac 2y agoSome, perhaps. There's plenty of splinters who got their advice up the chain. But I don't think the root causes that started as millionaires already and only get richer are ignorant per se. You need a certain discipline, narrative, and overall feel on the mood to properly become that successful on a grift. I doubt many of them went from rags to riches on this.
- cocacola1 2y agoAsimov said something about this: > There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'.
- Copenjin 2y agoIt's a global tendency, even if the effects are slightly different.
- JellyBeanThief 2y agoWhy can't the boys have female role models?
- jqwizard 2y agoI don't know. Why are we told that representation is important and we must have diversity along every axis throughout media? Well, if you think about it for five seconds, it's because people in general (but especially children) identify with and look up to people who look like them and share their culture. That's just human nature.
- reverius42 2y agoThen I guess it's a good thing men are still well (overly?) represented among world leaders, CEOs, etc. -- I'm not sure how anyone can claim there are no male role models in a world with 100% male US presidents (for instance).
- johnnyanmac 2y ago"good" male role models. I wouldn't call elon musk, donald trump, nor Andrew tates good examples to follow.
- Gud 2y agoNot just "look like them" and "share their culture". They have deep biological similarities, not some superficial traits.
- matrix87 2y agoGood question... I did. But maybe I'm just lucky
- swat535 2y agoWho was your female role model? can you expand?
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- lmm 2y agoMaybe it's time for some positive representation of masculinity in our culture? Something that celebrates men (and not for being feminine) and maleness? Of course many men don't have any goals or ambition when mainstream culture will do nothing but shit on them even if they achieve something.
- Der_Einzige 2y agoThe problem is that so much of maleness is stuff like the male libido, which is a bad, no good, horrible, terrible thing which one must be ashamed of and stigmatized for having. They call it “the male gaze” and try to root it out of the media. Masculinity is porn, soldiers, guns, cars, savior fantasies, and suffering. We will get a positive representation and celebration of masculinity at around the same time when a term like “toxic femininity” gets used as much as toxic masculinity does today.
- matrix87 2y ago[flagged]
- Jensson 2y ago> in the real world it's the opposite, they get offended if you don't get them That is just as sexist of them, they don't own male sexuality if he doesn't get it up for you then you should do better. That is what women say to men at least, do better don't blame the other sex.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoI think you're missing the forest for the trees. Male sexuality is indeed surprised even moreso than female sexuality. There are opportunities to flaunt the latter, but the "ideal male body" is exactly part of how people get into the alt right pipeline. It starts with objectively good advice like "work out and go to the gym to get a good body". Which is surprisingly on the downside in K-12 education. Then it drips in the narrative: "revenge training" to get fit not for your self-esteem but to make a bad breakup regret it, then into the "sigma male grindset", then if you do all this and you still aren't appealing it must be because of women. You worked hard, they don't get it or are too picky, or are looking for some famed gigachad with 8 packs and making 200k a year. It's a slow drip into the pipeline. ---- tangent: but in media male sexuality is much more suppressed too. You can show quite a bit of nudity in R rated films, but absolutely not a boner in any way 99% of the time. I don't think that changes much in society, food for thought.
- sincerecook 2y agoA lot of these women will be creating PowerPoint slides and holding meetings for things that don't need a meeting to pay down a 6 figure debt incurred to obtain a worthless degree. Blind ambition to meet an arbitrary metric is stupid.
- Copenjin 2y agoExactly, this is one of the actual problems.
- disambiguation 2y agoI really don't think this is unique in terms of gender or generation. But it is a persistent narrative that leads a lot of wayward young men to idolize false "role model" e celebs.