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https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/16/ukraine-must-investigate-alleged-war-crimes-by-its-forces https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/16/ukraine-mu

by cwkoss 2y ago

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/16/ukraine-must-investigate-alleged-war-crimes-by-its-forces https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/16/ukraine-must-i... "A controversial Amnesty International report asserted that Ukrainian military tactics put civilians in danger. Video footage has since been published suggesting that Ukrainian troops may have executed surrendering Russian officers in the town of Makiivka. Back in 2019, the International Criminal Court (ICC) determined that Ukrainian forces committed possible war crimes against Russian soldiers in eastern Ukraine. To be clear: none of these allegations draws moral or legal equivalency between the acts of Ukrainian and Russian forces. Any alleged crimes committed by Ukrainian officers pale in comparison to the aggression and barbarity Russian forces have demonstrated in Ukraine. But all atrocities must be accounted for, not just those of one’s enemies."

Svoka 2y ago
Oh. Aljazeera and Amnesty International Nice combo
- cwkoss 2y ago
  Yeah, they are both organizations with very high integrity and credibility...? Kind of perplexed what your worldview even is.
Svoka 2y ago
By the way. Crimes agains humanity/war crimes are on different scale. Like perpetrating genocide, stealing children, etc. Individual crimes are prosecuted as well, but Zelensky hasn't much to do with regular war crap, if it is not systemic and/or basically formalized and encouraged, as is the case in russia. Russian playbook includes in every occupied town to set up torture/rape station where they put anyone suspicious. You can guess what happens next.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Crimes against humanity/war crimes are on different scale. You're getting way too cerebral for this thread. The people who say "they're all equally guilty" don't care about such considerations. They're just trying to make a blanket moral relativism argument. Which basically goes: "They're all bad to some degree, therefore they're all equally bad, or at least we can stop focusing on the one that's obviously much worse than the others." It's not an argument at all really, but more like an emotional appeal.
  - Svoka 2y ago
    Makes sense. Such views seemed always so reductionist to me that they are basically nonsensical and arrogant. You are correct.

by cwkoss 2y ago

Svoka 2y ago

Oh. Aljazeera and Amnesty International Nice combo

cwkoss 2y ago
Yeah, they are both organizations with very high integrity and credibility...? Kind of perplexed what your worldview even is.

Svoka 2y ago

By the way. Crimes agains humanity/war crimes are on different scale. Like perpetrating genocide, stealing children, etc. Individual crimes are prosecuted as well, but Zelensky hasn't much to do with regular war crap, if it is not systemic and/or basically formalized and encouraged, as is the case in russia. Russian playbook includes in every occupied town to set up torture/rape station where they put anyone suspicious. You can guess what happens next.

aguaviva 2y ago
Crimes against humanity/war crimes are on different scale. You're getting way too cerebral for this thread. The people who say "they're all equally guilty" don't care about such considerations. They're just trying to make a blanket moral relativism argument. Which basically goes: "They're all bad to some degree, therefore they're all equally bad, or at least we can stop focusing on the one that's obviously much worse than the others." It's not an argument at all really, but more like an emotional appeal.
- Svoka 2y ago
  Makes sense. Such views seemed always so reductionist to me that they are basically nonsensical and arrogant. You are correct.