6 ms·

i think the main purpose of this is to pull in illegal streams of copyright content, so the readme probably has to be intentionally obtuse to avoid summoning la

i think the main purpose of this is to pull in illegal streams of copyright content, so the readme probably has to be intentionally obtuse to avoid summoning law enforcement.

sneak 2y ago
This is like saying that the purpose of a gun is to commit murder. It’s a tool. You can use it for any purpose, including simply reading the code to inspire you to write other software or learn how software is designed. Especially for media playback tools, to say its main purpose is for crime is as silly as to say a monitor’s main purpose is for looking at Facebook.
- denhaus 2y ago
  i agree. in principle this is totally fine. in reality, highly paid lawyers throw the law around to accomplish whatever their objectives are. if they’re paid by a media company, and the media company’s objective is to reduce “illegal” reproduction of their content, principle is less important than winning.
- vineyardmike 2y ago
  You had to pick the most controversial example that also is poorly defensible? Guns don’t exactly have many uses besides shooting, compared to your monitor example. Similarly, I’d assume most people who use Jellyfin/Plex/etc acquire their content through questionably legal sources. There simply aren’t many legal avenues left to acquire DRM free media. Especially not where you’re rebroadcasting from a webpage. The “arr” suffix on this software is especially flagging - there is a popular suite of software associated with piracy and they all use the “arr” suffix. Reading source code is nice and all, but come on, that’s not the main purpose of most open source code. > Broadcastarr is a service that allows you to broadcast media content retrieved from web pages. That’s the purpose.
  - ndriscoll 2y ago
    Two obvious sources of legal media for jellyfin are home movies and university lectures (which are generally creative commons licensed), both of which I serve on my family's instance. I believe recording broadcast television is also perfectly legal in the US, and there are still commercial products to do it. The *arr software by contrast are pretty explicit about what they're for. e.g. radarr says it will upgrade a movie you have from dvd to bluray quality via torrent or usenet, which is almost certainly illegal. It does look like they don't distribute executables though, so their repositories contain only a detailed description of the knowledge of how to perform illegal activities.
    - close04 2y ago
      I think the most obvious sources of legal media are bargain bin DVDs/BRs which you are allowed to rip for personal usage and backup. This would justify all the discussions about episode numbering and so on. I have a small mountain of discs in boxes in the basement, which I bought almost for free (looking at you 17 EUR DVD box set of Friends) and will never see the light of day because they're all comfortably copied on a NAS too. Same for games, I have titles like RDR which I bought from a bargain bin while it was still very much in vogue for ~2 EUR. I can't use it as a copy but the supermarket bargain bin can be an eternal Black Friday for your media consumption.
  - sneak 2y ago
    Yes, shooting isn’t illegal. But if you think a gun’s primary purpose is to shoot people, you misunderstand why they exist. Thermonuclear weapons weren’t built to destroy the world, either.
    - doctorpangloss 2y ago
      This is an interesting thought. But you are being ridiculous, this stuff is absolutely overwhelmingly used for piracy.
    - mort96 2y ago
      Am I taking crazy pills or are you making no sense? Shooting a gun is, in most places, super illegal. Even if you don't hit anyone, firing your pistol anywhere where there's people is sure to attract attention from law enforcement, unless at a specially designated area like a gun range. And what the hell are guns made for if not to shoot?? That's literally the only thing they do!

i think the main purpose of this is to pull in illegal streams of copyright content, so the readme probably has to be intentionally obtuse to avoid summoning law enforcement.

sneak 2y ago

This is like saying that the purpose of a gun is to commit murder. It’s a tool. You can use it for any purpose, including simply reading the code to inspire you to write other software or learn how software is designed. Especially for media playback tools, to say its main purpose is for crime is as silly as to say a monitor’s main purpose is for looking at Facebook.

denhaus 2y ago
i agree. in principle this is totally fine. in reality, highly paid lawyers throw the law around to accomplish whatever their objectives are. if they’re paid by a media company, and the media company’s objective is to reduce “illegal” reproduction of their content, principle is less important than winning.
vineyardmike 2y ago
You had to pick the most controversial example that also is poorly defensible? Guns don’t exactly have many uses besides shooting, compared to your monitor example. Similarly, I’d assume most people who use Jellyfin/Plex/etc acquire their content through questionably legal sources. There simply aren’t many legal avenues left to acquire DRM free media. Especially not where you’re rebroadcasting from a webpage. The “arr” suffix on this software is especially flagging - there is a popular suite of software associated with piracy and they all use the “arr” suffix. Reading source code is nice and all, but come on, that’s not the main purpose of most open source code. > Broadcastarr is a service that allows you to broadcast media content retrieved from web pages. That’s the purpose.
- ndriscoll 2y ago
  Two obvious sources of legal media for jellyfin are home movies and university lectures (which are generally creative commons licensed), both of which I serve on my family's instance. I believe recording broadcast television is also perfectly legal in the US, and there are still commercial products to do it. The *arr software by contrast are pretty explicit about what they're for. e.g. radarr says it will upgrade a movie you have from dvd to bluray quality via torrent or usenet, which is almost certainly illegal. It does look like they don't distribute executables though, so their repositories contain only a detailed description of the knowledge of how to perform illegal activities.
  - close04 2y ago
    I think the most obvious sources of legal media are bargain bin DVDs/BRs which you are allowed to rip for personal usage and backup. This would justify all the discussions about episode numbering and so on. I have a small mountain of discs in boxes in the basement, which I bought almost for free (looking at you 17 EUR DVD box set of Friends) and will never see the light of day because they're all comfortably copied on a NAS too. Same for games, I have titles like RDR which I bought from a bargain bin while it was still very much in vogue for ~2 EUR. I can't use it as a copy but the supermarket bargain bin can be an eternal Black Friday for your media consumption.
- sneak 2y ago
  Yes, shooting isn’t illegal. But if you think a gun’s primary purpose is to shoot people, you misunderstand why they exist. Thermonuclear weapons weren’t built to destroy the world, either.
  - doctorpangloss 2y ago
    This is an interesting thought. But you are being ridiculous, this stuff is absolutely overwhelmingly used for piracy.
  - mort96 2y ago
    Am I taking crazy pills or are you making no sense? Shooting a gun is, in most places, super illegal. Even if you don't hit anyone, firing your pistol anywhere where there's people is sure to attract attention from law enforcement, unless at a specially designated area like a gun range. And what the hell are guns made for if not to shoot?? That's literally the only thing they do!