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> What evidence do you have that vehicles over a certain size and power are inherently more dangerous? It's not the vehicle but the entitled douche bag who thi

> What evidence do you have that vehicles over a certain size and power are inherently more dangerous? It's not the vehicle but the entitled douche bag who thinks they own the road while wildly speeding around, cutting people off and weaving around traffic like a drunkard. No one needs that power save for insecure men.

HPsquared 2y ago
Sounds like the driver is the problem. A rampaging driver can do pretty much the same damage regardless of the exact car. Police should focus on driver behaviour with stricter enforcement of "road manners" type rules. Broken window theory.
- MisterTea 2y ago
  Of course the driver is the problem but you can't fix stupid with police. Also realize that in the USA there has been a reduction in the amount of policing done on the roads for various reasons so don't expect much from the cops.
  - HPsquared 2y ago
    With less policing the problems will just get worse. The only alternative is some kind of intrusive digital nannying which is what we're starting to see.
    - david-gpu 2y ago
      > The only alternative is ...or you could look at what is done in countries with a far better safety record and copy it. Hint: street design has a massive effect on the speed at which drivers choose to go. Narrower lanes, curves, intersections with tight corners, raised crossings, speed humps, removing on-street parking next to intersections (daylighting), etc. all reduce fatalities.
      - HPsquared 2y ago
        Ah yes the "ball pit" option. Sure it probably works but it costs a lot and reduces the utility of the roads.
        david-gpu 2y ago
        It increases the utility of the streets for pedestrians and cyclists by, you know, not getting them killed. Many traffic safety measures cost very little to implement, or even retrofit. You can look up what has been done in Hoboken, NJ -- no pedestrian fatalities since 2017.
        HPsquared 2y ago
        Fair enough for dense urban areas, I suppose.

HPsquared 2y ago

Sounds like the driver is the problem. A rampaging driver can do pretty much the same damage regardless of the exact car. Police should focus on driver behaviour with stricter enforcement of "road manners" type rules. Broken window theory.

MisterTea 2y ago
Of course the driver is the problem but you can't fix stupid with police. Also realize that in the USA there has been a reduction in the amount of policing done on the roads for various reasons so don't expect much from the cops.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  With less policing the problems will just get worse. The only alternative is some kind of intrusive digital nannying which is what we're starting to see.
  - david-gpu 2y ago
    > The only alternative is ...or you could look at what is done in countries with a far better safety record and copy it. Hint: street design has a massive effect on the speed at which drivers choose to go. Narrower lanes, curves, intersections with tight corners, raised crossings, speed humps, removing on-street parking next to intersections (daylighting), etc. all reduce fatalities.
    - HPsquared 2y ago
      Ah yes the "ball pit" option. Sure it probably works but it costs a lot and reduces the utility of the roads.
      - david-gpu 2y ago
        It increases the utility of the streets for pedestrians and cyclists by, you know, not getting them killed. Many traffic safety measures cost very little to implement, or even retrofit. You can look up what has been done in Hoboken, NJ -- no pedestrian fatalities since 2017.
        HPsquared 2y ago
        Fair enough for dense urban areas, I suppose.