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I'm not making a big deal about this, and I have a lot of respect for Craigslist, don't put words in my mouth. I think Craigslist is nearly perfect for the vast

by ericd 14y ago

I'm not making a big deal about this, and I have a lot of respect for Craigslist, don't put words in my mouth. I think Craigslist is nearly perfect for the vast majority of things, I'm not on a crusade to "disrupt" them. It's just that for a long, drawn out, location-based search, it's objectively terrible, and I'm trying to patch that bug.

J3L2404 14y ago
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4220106 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4220106
trotsky 14y ago
It would seem like the definition of respect mostly conflicts with your behavior. re·spect 1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem. 2. to pay proper attention to; not violate "to respect Swiss neutrality" 3. to show consideration for; treat courteously or kindly
- potatolicious 14y ago
  His behavior is not incompatible with respect, and you're being pedantic. I really wish "beating an argument to death with Merriam-Webster" wasn't as common on HN as it is. One can respect Craigslist for their history, and what they have done for the online community in the past, without conceding the right to say that they're wrong now, and that you'll be proceeding without their blessing. One can also respect and understand Craigslist's objection to Padmapper scraping their site, without conceding that the good vastly outweighs whatever valid concerns may exist. Respect is a complicated social concept, the colloquial usage of the word even more so. Using dictionary definitions to try and corner complex social phenomena is at best a poor idea, at worst an attempt at being disingenuous.
  - zem 14y ago
    back in the usenet days, it was generally[0] held that the first person to reach for the dictionary had implicitly conceded the argument. [0] at least on the newsgroups i used to frequent
  - trotsky 14y ago
    Clearly my post came across poorly and not as I intended, as at the time I imagined it to be a softer way of suggesting that his words don't represent his actions. Other ways of saying that directly sound much more personal and less civil in my head, but perhaps not to others. With respect to your definition, I submit that you misunderstand the element that differentiates respect from admiration, appreciation or value. Further debate seems unhelpful, whatever you call it it's the same behavior.

by ericd 14y ago

J3L2404 14y ago

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4220106 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4220106

trotsky 14y ago

It would seem like the definition of respect mostly conflicts with your behavior. re·spect 1. To feel or show deferential regard for; esteem. 2. to pay proper attention to; not violate "to respect Swiss neutrality" 3. to show consideration for; treat courteously or kindly

potatolicious 14y ago
His behavior is not incompatible with respect, and you're being pedantic. I really wish "beating an argument to death with Merriam-Webster" wasn't as common on HN as it is. One can respect Craigslist for their history, and what they have done for the online community in the past, without conceding the right to say that they're wrong now, and that you'll be proceeding without their blessing. One can also respect and understand Craigslist's objection to Padmapper scraping their site, without conceding that the good vastly outweighs whatever valid concerns may exist. Respect is a complicated social concept, the colloquial usage of the word even more so. Using dictionary definitions to try and corner complex social phenomena is at best a poor idea, at worst an attempt at being disingenuous.
- zem 14y ago
  back in the usenet days, it was generally[0] held that the first person to reach for the dictionary had implicitly conceded the argument. [0] at least on the newsgroups i used to frequent
- trotsky 14y ago
  Clearly my post came across poorly and not as I intended, as at the time I imagined it to be a softer way of suggesting that his words don't represent his actions. Other ways of saying that directly sound much more personal and less civil in my head, but perhaps not to others. With respect to your definition, I submit that you misunderstand the element that differentiates respect from admiration, appreciation or value. Further debate seems unhelpful, whatever you call it it's the same behavior.