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Netanyahu I'm not surprised, but Gallant? EDIT: Asking genuinely on Gallant all I know is he was minister of defence and had a felling out with Netanyahu.

jrochkind1 2y ago
Being the minister of defense gives you culpability for the military actions the ICC has decided are war crimes, I'd think? But I am not an expert in international law, just don't find it surprising.
- sofixa 2y ago
  Yep, commanders are responsible for the actions undertaken by their troops. It's called Command responsibility or sometimes the Yamashita principle/doctrine, after a Japanese general who was executed for horrific crimes committed by troops not even under his command, but in his area of responsibility (they were naval troops in the Philippines, he was commander of the Philippines, the navy and the army hated each other; he pulled out of Manilla in order to wage war in favourable terrain, the naval infantry commander refused to follow him and fought a brutal urban battle that destroyed the city, and on purpose killed more than a hundred thousand civilians).
  - sku11gat 2y ago
    Some Japanese officers take responsibility very seriously. >Hitoshi Imamura was a Japanese general who served in the Imperial Japanese Army during World War II, and was subsequently convicted of war crimes. Finding his punishment to be too light, Imamura built a replica of his prison in his garden and confined himself there until his death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_Imamura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_Imamura
    - sofixa 2y ago
      Most just ordered horrific atrocities, their men to die, and then killed themselves.
bawolff 2y ago
He's the minister of defense (not anymore but was at the time). If the allegations are true, then as minister of defense he probably ordered the things in question (or failed to stop them)
- StefanBatory 2y ago
  Okay, failing to stop them is a fair point I haven't considered - thanks.
  - bawolff 2y ago
    That said, it seems he is mostly accused of direct criminal liability not superior liability (failing to prevent/punish)
adhamsalama 2y ago
You're not surprised that the prime minister is accused of war crimes, but surprised the minister of defense is?
shihab 2y ago
"Defense minister [Gallant] announces ‘complete siege’ of Gaza: No power, food or fuel". [1] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-ministe...
- StefanBatory 2y ago
  Thanks for the link, I didn't know that it was he who announced that. Thank you!
- dotancohen 2y ago
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runarberg 2y ago
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newspaper1 2y ago
Gallant's position is that there are no innocent people in Gaza and that they should be starved to death. He's said this many times: https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1853905224320372923 https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1853905224320372923
- StefanBatory 2y ago
  I didn't know about this before, thanks :| I thought he was much more of a moderate in Netanyahu cabinet.
  - newspaper1 2y ago
    There's a large attempt to pin all of this on Netanyahu and his closest cabinet but what he's saying is pretty much supported by nearly all of Israeli society down to individual citizens. I encourage everyone to find people who live in Israel on X and translate their tweets so they can see for themselves.
    - SauciestGNU 2y ago
      It's utterly appalling, and the main reason I tend to think the end of apartheid in Israel will look substantially different than the end of apartheid in South Africa.
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  - griomnib 2y ago
    He is a moderate; which tells you all you need to know about contemporary Israel politics and ethical standards.

jrochkind1 2y ago

Being the minister of defense gives you culpability for the military actions the ICC has decided are war crimes, I'd think? But I am not an expert in international law, just don't find it surprising.

sofixa 2y ago
Yep, commanders are responsible for the actions undertaken by their troops. It's called Command responsibility or sometimes the Yamashita principle/doctrine, after a Japanese general who was executed for horrific crimes committed by troops not even under his command, but in his area of responsibility (they were naval troops in the Philippines, he was commander of the Philippines, the navy and the army hated each other; he pulled out of Manilla in order to wage war in favourable terrain, the naval infantry commander refused to follow him and fought a brutal urban battle that destroyed the city, and on purpose killed more than a hundred thousand civilians).
- sku11gat 2y ago
  Some Japanese officers take responsibility very seriously. >Hitoshi Imamura was a Japanese general who served in the Imperial Japanese Army during World War II, and was subsequently convicted of war crimes. Finding his punishment to be too light, Imamura built a replica of his prison in his garden and confined himself there until his death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_Imamura https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_Imamura
  - sofixa 2y ago
    Most just ordered horrific atrocities, their men to die, and then killed themselves.

bawolff 2y ago

He's the minister of defense (not anymore but was at the time). If the allegations are true, then as minister of defense he probably ordered the things in question (or failed to stop them)

StefanBatory 2y ago
Okay, failing to stop them is a fair point I haven't considered - thanks.
- bawolff 2y ago
  That said, it seems he is mostly accused of direct criminal liability not superior liability (failing to prevent/punish)

adhamsalama 2y ago

You're not surprised that the prime minister is accused of war crimes, but surprised the minister of defense is?

shihab 2y ago

"Defense minister [Gallant] announces ‘complete siege’ of Gaza: No power, food or fuel". [1] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-ministe...

StefanBatory 2y ago
Thanks for the link, I didn't know that it was he who announced that. Thank you!
dotancohen 2y ago
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runarberg 2y ago

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newspaper1 2y ago

Gallant's position is that there are no innocent people in Gaza and that they should be starved to death. He's said this many times: https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1853905224320372923 https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1853905224320372923

StefanBatory 2y ago
I didn't know about this before, thanks :| I thought he was much more of a moderate in Netanyahu cabinet.
- newspaper1 2y ago
  There's a large attempt to pin all of this on Netanyahu and his closest cabinet but what he's saying is pretty much supported by nearly all of Israeli society down to individual citizens. I encourage everyone to find people who live in Israel on X and translate their tweets so they can see for themselves.
  - SauciestGNU 2y ago
    It's utterly appalling, and the main reason I tend to think the end of apartheid in Israel will look substantially different than the end of apartheid in South Africa.
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  - edanm 2y ago
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- griomnib 2y ago
  He is a moderate; which tells you all you need to know about contemporary Israel politics and ethical standards.