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Why not? How is it “hacker news” at all? It’s just news news.

dang 2y ago
On HN, having some stories with political overlap is both inevitable and ok—the question is which particular stories those should be. We try to go for the ones that contain significant new information. See more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42204689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42204689. This approach has been stable for many years and there's no intention to allow HN to become a primarily-political site (quite the contrary) but it also doesn't work to try to exclude these things altogether.
- EvgeniyZh 2y ago
  I don't think I've seen any pro-Israeli post in top since the beginning of the war. Definitely anything I submitted was flagged to death almost immediately, even if it was hacker-ish (say, the analysis of the Hamas statistics). You can say of course that users decide what they want, but for political stories at least I don't think it is straightforward
  - almogo 2y ago
    The HN community is strongly anti-Israel. Which is surprising, but then again, what's really still surprising these days? I do think this news is major enough to justify being on HN. There is at least some useful discussions on the ICC that I found interesting, intermixed between the typical antisemitic messaging we're all-too used to seeing.
    - phantompeace 2y ago
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    - cwkoss 2y ago
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      - grumple 2y ago
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    - aliasxneo 2y ago
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      - almogo 2y ago
        I suppose there's a bit of nuance here. I agree HN tends to be left-wing. I'm just surprised (and again, not very, not anymore) at the degree of anti-Israel rhetoric I see here - it's more alike what I'd expect from more fringe corners of the Internet. I hope the community is able to moderate itself appropriately, so far I think it's doing a fairly good job.
        kombine 2y ago
        > I'm just surprised (and again, not very, not anymore) at the degree of anti-Israel rhetoric You are saying this as if anti-Israel rhetoric is something bad. Israel is an apartheid state currently engaged in genocide. It is an absolutely normal reaction on the part of this and other communities to call out Israel's atrocities.
        aliasxneo 2y ago
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    - EvgeniyZh 2y ago
      I guess my question is towards admins to decide which stories to unflag and not to users. I'm sure many stories from both sides could got to the top if users wouldn't be able to flag them.
- samatman 2y ago
  Dang, it's a serious problem when discussions like this result in any serious attempts to engage from one side getting flagged to death. That's what happens here, and on any news involving the Gaza War, for quite some time. To someone who doesn't use [showdead] this creates an impression of partiality in this community which is not borne out by reality. Which makes Hacker News appear complicit in supporting that point of view. If you're going to keep overriding the flag mechanism and letting these posts hit the front page, you need to disable flagging of individual posts except by you or another moderator (if there is one?) after manual review. The status quo is unfair.
  - sfjailbird 2y ago
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    - grumple 2y ago
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    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
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      - talldayo 2y ago
        "The West" literally isn't allowed to circulate credible reporting on Gaza because Israel has banned their journalists from documenting it. No wonder they lost social media, they can't even win traditional media.
- grumple 2y ago
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  - cwkoss 2y ago
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    - badwolf 2y ago
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  - rendall 2y ago
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    - onemoresoop 2y ago
      Maybe Mr Paul Graham has a conscience? The article you link to makes no mention of the atrocities Israel did and is doing in Gaza. It’s not just defence, it’s just starving people. Any person with dignity should have sympathy for dying people and especially at such magnitude. And hey, dont try to paint me terrorist supporter bullshit, I am not supporting and have any sympathy for Hamas, they disgust me and their attack was just dumb but you know what? What Israel has been doing lately disgusts me, been giving them a free pass all along. I am still sympathetic to Israelis who are against this as much as I am sympathetic to dying Palestinians. You seem to be one of those unscrupulous ones who has no conscience.
  - onemoresoop 2y ago
    > I don’t personally have the energy to combat all of it. You have to put in the effort you think the current situation is. Everybody else is doing the same. Indeed see a lot of grayed out comments that defend Israel and wish they were regular color so it’s just a discussion. But in the same way commers get downvoted they could also be upvoted. Maybe your opinions have many people who disagree and few who agree? I urge all thise who agree with you to upvote your comments.
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kombine 2y ago
Because Israel is an integral part of our industry. Most major corporations have their presence in Israel. Moreover, Israel is using AI extensively in their war on Palestinian people, which they develop in partnership with the US.
- cwkoss 2y ago
  A significant portion of the US economy uses Israeli developed cybersecurity products. I wonder if there are any backdoors Mossad uses to consolidate influence.

dang 2y ago

On HN, having some stories with political overlap is both inevitable and ok—the question is which particular stories those should be. We try to go for the ones that contain significant new information. See more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42204689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42204689. This approach has been stable for many years and there's no intention to allow HN to become a primarily-political site (quite the contrary) but it also doesn't work to try to exclude these things altogether.

EvgeniyZh 2y ago
I don't think I've seen any pro-Israeli post in top since the beginning of the war. Definitely anything I submitted was flagged to death almost immediately, even if it was hacker-ish (say, the analysis of the Hamas statistics). You can say of course that users decide what they want, but for political stories at least I don't think it is straightforward
- almogo 2y ago
  The HN community is strongly anti-Israel. Which is surprising, but then again, what's really still surprising these days? I do think this news is major enough to justify being on HN. There is at least some useful discussions on the ICC that I found interesting, intermixed between the typical antisemitic messaging we're all-too used to seeing.
  - phantompeace 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - cwkoss 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - grumple 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - aliasxneo 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - almogo 2y ago
      I suppose there's a bit of nuance here. I agree HN tends to be left-wing. I'm just surprised (and again, not very, not anymore) at the degree of anti-Israel rhetoric I see here - it's more alike what I'd expect from more fringe corners of the Internet. I hope the community is able to moderate itself appropriately, so far I think it's doing a fairly good job.
      - kombine 2y ago
        > I'm just surprised (and again, not very, not anymore) at the degree of anti-Israel rhetoric You are saying this as if anti-Israel rhetoric is something bad. Israel is an apartheid state currently engaged in genocide. It is an absolutely normal reaction on the part of this and other communities to call out Israel's atrocities.
        aliasxneo 2y ago
        [flagged]
  - EvgeniyZh 2y ago
    I guess my question is towards admins to decide which stories to unflag and not to users. I'm sure many stories from both sides could got to the top if users wouldn't be able to flag them.
samatman 2y ago
Dang, it's a serious problem when discussions like this result in any serious attempts to engage from one side getting flagged to death. That's what happens here, and on any news involving the Gaza War, for quite some time. To someone who doesn't use [showdead] this creates an impression of partiality in this community which is not borne out by reality. Which makes Hacker News appear complicit in supporting that point of view. If you're going to keep overriding the flag mechanism and letting these posts hit the front page, you need to disable flagging of individual posts except by you or another moderator (if there is one?) after manual review. The status quo is unfair.
- sfjailbird 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - grumple 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - talldayo 2y ago
      "The West" literally isn't allowed to circulate credible reporting on Gaza because Israel has banned their journalists from documenting it. No wonder they lost social media, they can't even win traditional media.
grumple 2y ago
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- cwkoss 2y ago
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  - badwolf 2y ago
    [flagged]
- rendall 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - onemoresoop 2y ago
    Maybe Mr Paul Graham has a conscience? The article you link to makes no mention of the atrocities Israel did and is doing in Gaza. It’s not just defence, it’s just starving people. Any person with dignity should have sympathy for dying people and especially at such magnitude. And hey, dont try to paint me terrorist supporter bullshit, I am not supporting and have any sympathy for Hamas, they disgust me and their attack was just dumb but you know what? What Israel has been doing lately disgusts me, been giving them a free pass all along. I am still sympathetic to Israelis who are against this as much as I am sympathetic to dying Palestinians. You seem to be one of those unscrupulous ones who has no conscience.
- onemoresoop 2y ago
  > I don’t personally have the energy to combat all of it. You have to put in the effort you think the current situation is. Everybody else is doing the same. Indeed see a lot of grayed out comments that defend Israel and wish they were regular color so it’s just a discussion. But in the same way commers get downvoted they could also be upvoted. Maybe your opinions have many people who disagree and few who agree? I urge all thise who agree with you to upvote your comments.
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kombine 2y ago

Because Israel is an integral part of our industry. Most major corporations have their presence in Israel. Moreover, Israel is using AI extensively in their war on Palestinian people, which they develop in partnership with the US.

cwkoss 2y ago
A significant portion of the US economy uses Israeli developed cybersecurity products. I wonder if there are any backdoors Mossad uses to consolidate influence.