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From the Guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse cu

by selykg 2y ago

From the Guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.

pmdulaney 2y ago
Are you suggesting that saying that a project is cool violates the HN guidelines? If so, please explain.
- selykg 2y ago
  The ... can be read as sounding very dismissive. But also, it really didn't add anything to the discussion even if that wasn't the intention. Hence the second point I added from the guidelines. So, I see two potential areas of improvement.
  - pvg 2y ago
    Getting all guideliney on fluffy positive comments mostly defeats the purpose of getting all guideliney - the billowing clouds of meta that tends to generate are worse (guideline-worse, no less!) than the fluffy comment itself.
    - selykg 2y ago
      Possibly, but "Cool..." is hardly adding any value, whatsoever. In this case the poster should've simply said nothing unless they had something of value to say. This is sort of the second point I was quoting. There are a number of points in the guidelines that try to get people to add value to the conversation. > the billowing clouds of meta that tends to generate are worse (guideline-worse, no less!) than the fluffy comment itself. Well, at the end of the day you contributed to that with your own comment.
      - pvg 2y ago
        is hardly adding any value, whatsoever. Yes but they are explicitly accounted for in the site docs/design/intent, from waaaay back: Empty comments can be ok if they're positive. There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." What we especially discourage are comments that are empty and negative—comments that are mere name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html And pop up in moderation comments https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22empty%20comments%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        dataflow 2y ago
        > There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." I'm pretty sure they meant saying "Thanks." in response to another comment, not as a top-level comment reply to a Show HN. Kind of like how you wouldn't bust into a restaurant and say a loud "Thanks." to the entire room, despite it being perfectly fine to say thanks in a restaurant.
        pvg 2y ago
        You can see the this covered in the mod comments, toplevel positive fluff is fine. Most of it doesn't go anywhere (as in, it's not like these end up the top of the thread and collect fluffreplies) and are, at a minimum, not worth policing.
  - jannyfer 2y ago
    OP seems to be Japanese, so the ellipsis is unlikely to be meant as dismissive.
- nimblegorilla 2y ago
  I don't know the original comment's intent, but adding "..." at the end of your message is now considered by some as rude: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/149145/is-the-use-of-ellipsis-dismissive-or-rude https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/149145/is-the-...
  - bityard 2y ago
    Just because someone is confident about their own weird interpretation of something on the Internet does not make it true. I (and lot of people I know) use elipsis in writing all the time... usually to indicate a pause or change of direction from the previous thought. If I am in a hurry to get technical details down in text and off to some team, worrying about 100% correct proper writing style is time and luxury that I almost NEVER have. And besides, unless you work in a law office or something, email is NOT a formal communications method. Grammar and spelling should be within acceptable limits but not a deal-breaker. Otherwise you'd be skating near the principle of judging a book by its cover which would be very un-woke.
    - latexr 2y ago
      > Just because someone is confident about their own weird interpretation of something on the Internet does not make it true. Agreed. Though in the case of “cool…” there is precedent. For example, John Oliver says it sarcastically¹ with some regularity. Well, he can’t say the ellipsis, but it’s how I’d have written it. Either way, I’m agreeing with you. People also think that putting a period at the end of a text message is rude², which is bonkers to me³. Soon we won’t be able to use any punctuation without it being considered dismissive⁴. ¹ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8q8PXoJwVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8q8PXoJwVk ² https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/29/crosswords/texting-punctuation-period.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/29/crosswords/texting-punctu... ³ I do it all the time. People get used to it and learn it’s just how I write. ⁴ Yes, that’s a slippery slope fallacy. I’m employing it for comedic effect, not as a real complaint of “kids these days”.
      - bityard 2y ago
ekusiadadus 2y ago
Hi, I'm the original commenter. There was absolutely no negative meaning intended. It was simply a really interesting project, and I was the first to discover the post. As someone pointed out, in my country, it doesn't have any negative connotation at all. If I made the original poster feel bad, I apologize.
- DevER-M 2y ago
  lol i did not only the other commenters did but yeah thanks :)

by selykg 2y ago

pmdulaney 2y ago

Are you suggesting that saying that a project is cool violates the HN guidelines? If so, please explain.

selykg 2y ago
The ... can be read as sounding very dismissive. But also, it really didn't add anything to the discussion even if that wasn't the intention. Hence the second point I added from the guidelines. So, I see two potential areas of improvement.
- pvg 2y ago
  Getting all guideliney on fluffy positive comments mostly defeats the purpose of getting all guideliney - the billowing clouds of meta that tends to generate are worse (guideline-worse, no less!) than the fluffy comment itself.
  - selykg 2y ago
    Possibly, but "Cool..." is hardly adding any value, whatsoever. In this case the poster should've simply said nothing unless they had something of value to say. This is sort of the second point I was quoting. There are a number of points in the guidelines that try to get people to add value to the conversation. > the billowing clouds of meta that tends to generate are worse (guideline-worse, no less!) than the fluffy comment itself. Well, at the end of the day you contributed to that with your own comment.
    - pvg 2y ago
      is hardly adding any value, whatsoever. Yes but they are explicitly accounted for in the site docs/design/intent, from waaaay back: Empty comments can be ok if they're positive. There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." What we especially discourage are comments that are empty and negative—comments that are mere name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html And pop up in moderation comments https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22empty%20comments%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
      - dataflow 2y ago
        > There's nothing wrong with submitting a comment saying just "Thanks." I'm pretty sure they meant saying "Thanks." in response to another comment, not as a top-level comment reply to a Show HN. Kind of like how you wouldn't bust into a restaurant and say a loud "Thanks." to the entire room, despite it being perfectly fine to say thanks in a restaurant.
        pvg 2y ago
        You can see the this covered in the mod comments, toplevel positive fluff is fine. Most of it doesn't go anywhere (as in, it's not like these end up the top of the thread and collect fluffreplies) and are, at a minimum, not worth policing.
- jannyfer 2y ago
  OP seems to be Japanese, so the ellipsis is unlikely to be meant as dismissive.
nimblegorilla 2y ago
I don't know the original comment's intent, but adding "..." at the end of your message is now considered by some as rude: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/149145/is-the-use-of-ellipsis-dismissive-or-rude https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/149145/is-the-...
- bityard 2y ago
  Just because someone is confident about their own weird interpretation of something on the Internet does not make it true. I (and lot of people I know) use elipsis in writing all the time... usually to indicate a pause or change of direction from the previous thought. If I am in a hurry to get technical details down in text and off to some team, worrying about 100% correct proper writing style is time and luxury that I almost NEVER have. And besides, unless you work in a law office or something, email is NOT a formal communications method. Grammar and spelling should be within acceptable limits but not a deal-breaker. Otherwise you'd be skating near the principle of judging a book by its cover which would be very un-woke.
  - latexr 2y ago
    > Just because someone is confident about their own weird interpretation of something on the Internet does not make it true. Agreed. Though in the case of “cool…” there is precedent. For example, John Oliver says it sarcastically¹ with some regularity. Well, he can’t say the ellipsis, but it’s how I’d have written it. Either way, I’m agreeing with you. People also think that putting a period at the end of a text message is rude², which is bonkers to me³. Soon we won’t be able to use any punctuation without it being considered dismissive⁴. ¹ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8q8PXoJwVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8q8PXoJwVk ² https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/29/crosswords/texting-punctuation-period.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/29/crosswords/texting-punctu... ³ I do it all the time. People get used to it and learn it’s just how I write. ⁴ Yes, that’s a slippery slope fallacy. I’m employing it for comedic effect, not as a real complaint of “kids these days”.
    - bityard 2y ago

ekusiadadus 2y ago

Hi, I'm the original commenter. There was absolutely no negative meaning intended. It was simply a really interesting project, and I was the first to discover the post. As someone pointed out, in my country, it doesn't have any negative connotation at all. If I made the original poster feel bad, I apologize.

DevER-M 2y ago
lol i did not only the other commenters did but yeah thanks :)