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You wanna make the same argument about Microsoft or Apple or Boeing or healthcare administration? Far more government resources goes towards those. Bold to ass

You wanna make the same argument about Microsoft or Apple or Boeing or healthcare administration? Far more government resources goes towards those. Bold to assume that the US government could’ve accomplished what SpaceX has accomplished in the same timeframe in this day of Federal contracting. Bear in mind that no other country, no other competitor comes close to SpaceX’s throughput at this time. They should be commended, not seen as a threat to the US

PrismCrystal 2y ago
> They should be commended, not seen as a threat to the US ¿Por qué no los dos? Recognizing that a private endeavour is a commendable achievement, but then nationalizing it so that it conforms to the nation’s interest (whether the direct interest of the populace, or more oblique national-security interests) has played out again and again throughout history.
- ethagknight 2y ago
  Nurturing a competitive private industry will yield far greater dividends
- rapsey 2y ago
  Examples please.
  - PrismCrystal 2y ago
    As probably the most historically impactful example, consider the nationalization of the East India Company, where Britain had long relied on a highly favoured private entity, but eventually it felt that its interests would be better served by bringing that entity under direct control.
    - rapsey 2y ago
      And this is somehow applicable to spacex and the us gov in 2024.
zelon88 2y ago
When NASA performs experiments and learns something, that knowledge belongs to the American people. When SpaceX learns something, that knowledge belongs to SpaceX, and specifically a trashboat named Elon Musk. I'd rather spend 10x more and have the American people benefit. And your assertion of SpaceX's supremacy makes you look like a corporate simp.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  This comment exemplifies that this whole narrative stems from political disagreements with Musk rather than anything to do with SpaceX's technological and commercial merits. As an aside, Musk was once upon a time aligned with the Left/Progressives/Democrats. He even fell out with Trump before during his first term, not that anyone probably remembers. Understand that Musk was on your side and got pushed away, like a lot of ex-Democrats turned Republicans.
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    Musk has always been right-wing. He didn't start Tesla because he was an environmentalist, he started it because he believed in the nonsensical Peak Oil theory. He certainly has become more right wing over time.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    Musk wasn't "pushed away", russia wasn't 'provoked' into invading a sovereign country and people, especially powerful ones are responsible for their own actions. No one made them do terrible things, especially not some vague amorphous label.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      >Musk wasn't "pushed away", Consider that most of the country shifted Right/Republican this election, which is another way of saying ex-Democrats turned Republicans. Kind of ironically, the Democrats also became the party of neocons and war hawks by inviting the likes of Bush and Cheney. The Democrats keep moving further Left, leaving normal people behind. You can only play the "world is out of touch" Simpsons meme so much before even that becomes too stupid to bother.
piva00 2y ago
> They should be commended, not seen as a threat to the US They can be both, commended for the technical prowess and achievements while also being a threat if they gain leverage over the US government. That's the fine balance to walk on, SpaceX could only exist because of American taxpayers footing the bill for their launches when they still had to prove they could do it and no other entity more risk-averse would pay for their launches, the government got a product out of it (cheaper launches) but it doesn't mean there's any loyalty involved. The moment corporations start to have leverage over strategic assets of a nation it starts to shape into a bad time for everyone.

PrismCrystal 2y ago

> They should be commended, not seen as a threat to the US ¿Por qué no los dos? Recognizing that a private endeavour is a commendable achievement, but then nationalizing it so that it conforms to the nation’s interest (whether the direct interest of the populace, or more oblique national-security interests) has played out again and again throughout history.

ethagknight 2y ago
Nurturing a competitive private industry will yield far greater dividends
rapsey 2y ago
Examples please.
- PrismCrystal 2y ago
  As probably the most historically impactful example, consider the nationalization of the East India Company, where Britain had long relied on a highly favoured private entity, but eventually it felt that its interests would be better served by bringing that entity under direct control.
  - rapsey 2y ago
    And this is somehow applicable to spacex and the us gov in 2024.

zelon88 2y ago

When NASA performs experiments and learns something, that knowledge belongs to the American people. When SpaceX learns something, that knowledge belongs to SpaceX, and specifically a trashboat named Elon Musk. I'd rather spend 10x more and have the American people benefit. And your assertion of SpaceX's supremacy makes you look like a corporate simp.

Dalewyn 2y ago
This comment exemplifies that this whole narrative stems from political disagreements with Musk rather than anything to do with SpaceX's technological and commercial merits. As an aside, Musk was once upon a time aligned with the Left/Progressives/Democrats. He even fell out with Trump before during his first term, not that anyone probably remembers. Understand that Musk was on your side and got pushed away, like a lot of ex-Democrats turned Republicans.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  Musk has always been right-wing. He didn't start Tesla because he was an environmentalist, he started it because he believed in the nonsensical Peak Oil theory. He certainly has become more right wing over time.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  Musk wasn't "pushed away", russia wasn't 'provoked' into invading a sovereign country and people, especially powerful ones are responsible for their own actions. No one made them do terrible things, especially not some vague amorphous label.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    >Musk wasn't "pushed away", Consider that most of the country shifted Right/Republican this election, which is another way of saying ex-Democrats turned Republicans. Kind of ironically, the Democrats also became the party of neocons and war hawks by inviting the likes of Bush and Cheney. The Democrats keep moving further Left, leaving normal people behind. You can only play the "world is out of touch" Simpsons meme so much before even that becomes too stupid to bother.

piva00 2y ago

> They should be commended, not seen as a threat to the US They can be both, commended for the technical prowess and achievements while also being a threat if they gain leverage over the US government. That's the fine balance to walk on, SpaceX could only exist because of American taxpayers footing the bill for their launches when they still had to prove they could do it and no other entity more risk-averse would pay for their launches, the government got a product out of it (cheaper launches) but it doesn't mean there's any loyalty involved. The moment corporations start to have leverage over strategic assets of a nation it starts to shape into a bad time for everyone.