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Like others here I don't have a good advice, but what do you mean by making "- car ownership - Air Conditioning - Travel - meat and dairy" sinful?

by 2rsf 2y ago

aswerty 2y ago
Just from a foreigner in Amsterdam. Car owners are considered selfish, it is not considered a sustainable or equitable form of transport. Air Conditioning, not a traditional things but getting more popular, not considered sustainable. Travel, airplanes produce a lot of emissions and aren't considered sustainable. Not uncommon for people say why aren't your traveling somewhere closer and/or taking the train across Europe. Meat, bad for the environment, bad for the animals. Non meat options are extremely popular here. Dairy, if you ask for milk in a cafe they might play dumb and then ask you "do you mean cow milk". Most of the above I agree with, but I love my milk. Damn passive aggressive baristas! But yeah, the dairy industry is pretty abhorrent so they have that going for them. All in all though, I'm probably the type of person the OP is probably trying to get away from. But honestly, Europe has plenty of problems but this stuff is literally why I love Europe
- badpun 2y ago
  That's Amsterdam. I'm betting in small towns (not to mention rural areas) in Netherlands the opposite beliefs are much more popular.
- cultofthecow 2y ago
  Honestly I can only disagree with you on most of the points. Speaking of my experience in Amsterdam. 1. Cars are just less practical and expensive. I personally avoid city center at all cost. 2. AC absence is not about sustainability at all. There was no need for them in this climate except a couple of summer weeks. 3. Never heard of people saying that. Constant queues at Schiphol. Government plans to extend and build another one IIRC 4. It’s just normal here to satisfy all of the food preferences. 5. 99% of the cafes has “normal milk”. Lactose intolerance, maybe fashion on oatmilk.. don’t known exact reason on why it’s not only the cow milk.

Like others here I don't have a good advice, but what do you mean by making "- car ownership - Air Conditioning - Travel - meat and dairy" sinful?

by 2rsf 2y ago

Like others here I don't have a good advice, but what do you mean by making "- car ownership - Air Conditioning - Travel - meat and dairy" sinful?

aswerty 2y ago

Just from a foreigner in Amsterdam. Car owners are considered selfish, it is not considered a sustainable or equitable form of transport. Air Conditioning, not a traditional things but getting more popular, not considered sustainable. Travel, airplanes produce a lot of emissions and aren't considered sustainable. Not uncommon for people say why aren't your traveling somewhere closer and/or taking the train across Europe. Meat, bad for the environment, bad for the animals. Non meat options are extremely popular here. Dairy, if you ask for milk in a cafe they might play dumb and then ask you "do you mean cow milk". Most of the above I agree with, but I love my milk. Damn passive aggressive baristas! But yeah, the dairy industry is pretty abhorrent so they have that going for them. All in all though, I'm probably the type of person the OP is probably trying to get away from. But honestly, Europe has plenty of problems but this stuff is literally why I love Europe

badpun 2y ago
That's Amsterdam. I'm betting in small towns (not to mention rural areas) in Netherlands the opposite beliefs are much more popular.
cultofthecow 2y ago
Honestly I can only disagree with you on most of the points. Speaking of my experience in Amsterdam. 1. Cars are just less practical and expensive. I personally avoid city center at all cost. 2. AC absence is not about sustainability at all. There was no need for them in this climate except a couple of summer weeks. 3. Never heard of people saying that. Constant queues at Schiphol. Government plans to extend and build another one IIRC 4. It’s just normal here to satisfy all of the food preferences. 5. 99% of the cafes has “normal milk”. Lactose intolerance, maybe fashion on oatmilk.. don’t known exact reason on why it’s not only the cow milk.