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What would have a democrat president done different during the first year of the pandemic?

piva00 2y ago
Probably not block CDC scientists of speaking about it[0]. Also not interfere with data collection by the CDC[1]. They probably wouldn't have dismantled the global health security branch of the National Security Council either[2][3][4], 2 years prior to the pandemic. There's a timeline outlining the disastrous bullshit[5]. [0] https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-administration-interfered-cdcs-public-outreach-covid-19 https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-ad... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-cor... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/0... [3] https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/191122_EndingTheCycle_GHSC_WEB_FULL_11.22.pdf https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/1... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland-security-adviser-resigns-amid-continued-turnover-in-trump-administration/2018/04/10/15db518a-3ccb-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland... [5] https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-co...
- Auracle 2y ago
  Let’s be real - the CDC are the important ones in that situation, not the restructuring of the National Security Council. And preventing panic in the beginning isn’t a terrible idea, as we say from the toilet paper debacle. Whether or not it was warranted in retrospect it’s hard to say, but it’s not like the CDC’s messaging was clear or accurate for quite a while. When Trump tried to lock down travel from China the democrats called him racist. The Obama administration depleted the national stockpile of PPE and didn’t restock. I’m sure there are a bunch of stupid little fingers to point here and there but the fact of the matter is the US had about as many deaths as you’d expect with our demographics that ran in line with other similar countries. The Trump administration also was responsible for Operation Warpspeed, without which we would have almost certainly gotten vaccines later. The only way it could have been stopped was in China, early. Whether that would be preventing a leak, if that’s how it originated, or from an immediate local lockdown. Certainly keeping international organizations from investigating didn’t help.
th0ma5 2y ago
The premise here is that there would've been one. It is vaguely possible that since a Democrat wouldn't have defunded the US presence in the region, that it could've been contained. Not plausible really, but possible. That scenario would not have been (and was not) possible with the decisions that Republicans took in the lead up to the pandemic.
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago
  Then the premise is lackluster. If the Chinese government couldn’t contain the US-paid coronavirus, then how could (or more accurately, why would) the US if they were in the region?
  - infinite8s 2y ago
    Do tell - what is the US-paid coronavirus?
    - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
      Up until and just before lockdowns started the US was funding a lab in Wuhan, the WIV, which specializes in bat coronaviruses and has had a long history of failure to meet safety standards. We only stopped funding them in July 2020, meaning US money funded the very virus that killed ~0.0875% of the world population. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-halts-funding-access-wuhan-lab-heart-covid/story?id=101499843 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-halts-funding-access-wuhan-...
      - th0ma5 2y ago
        I guess this is a causation directionality error in your thinking? We were there because nasty viruses spread near there.
        tourmalinetaco 2y ago
        We were there before nasty viruses spread. We stopped funding them in July 2020, meaning we were funding it before lockdowns started and just as China was being affected. You truly need to work on your reading comprehension skills before attempting to suggest anyone has errors in anything.

Probably not block CDC scientists of speaking about it[0]. Also not interfere with data collection by the CDC[1]. They probably wouldn't have dismantled the global health security branch of the National Security Council either[2][3][4], 2 years prior to the pandemic. There's a timeline outlining the disastrous bullshit[5]. [0] https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-administration-interfered-cdcs-public-outreach-covid-19 https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-ad... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-cor... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/0... [3] https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/191122_EndingTheCycle_GHSC_WEB_FULL_11.22.pdf https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/1... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland-security-adviser-resigns-amid-continued-turnover-in-trump-administration/2018/04/10/15db518a-3ccb-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland... [5] https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-co...

Auracle 2y ago
Let’s be real - the CDC are the important ones in that situation, not the restructuring of the National Security Council. And preventing panic in the beginning isn’t a terrible idea, as we say from the toilet paper debacle. Whether or not it was warranted in retrospect it’s hard to say, but it’s not like the CDC’s messaging was clear or accurate for quite a while. When Trump tried to lock down travel from China the democrats called him racist. The Obama administration depleted the national stockpile of PPE and didn’t restock. I’m sure there are a bunch of stupid little fingers to point here and there but the fact of the matter is the US had about as many deaths as you’d expect with our demographics that ran in line with other similar countries. The Trump administration also was responsible for Operation Warpspeed, without which we would have almost certainly gotten vaccines later. The only way it could have been stopped was in China, early. Whether that would be preventing a leak, if that’s how it originated, or from an immediate local lockdown. Certainly keeping international organizations from investigating didn’t help.

th0ma5 2y ago

The premise here is that there would've been one. It is vaguely possible that since a Democrat wouldn't have defunded the US presence in the region, that it could've been contained. Not plausible really, but possible. That scenario would not have been (and was not) possible with the decisions that Republicans took in the lead up to the pandemic.

tourmalinetaco 2y ago
Then the premise is lackluster. If the Chinese government couldn’t contain the US-paid coronavirus, then how could (or more accurately, why would) the US if they were in the region?
- infinite8s 2y ago
  Do tell - what is the US-paid coronavirus?
  - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
    Up until and just before lockdowns started the US was funding a lab in Wuhan, the WIV, which specializes in bat coronaviruses and has had a long history of failure to meet safety standards. We only stopped funding them in July 2020, meaning US money funded the very virus that killed ~0.0875% of the world population. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-halts-funding-access-wuhan-lab-heart-covid/story?id=101499843 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-halts-funding-access-wuhan-...
    - th0ma5 2y ago
      I guess this is a causation directionality error in your thinking? We were there because nasty viruses spread near there.
      - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
        We were there before nasty viruses spread. We stopped funding them in July 2020, meaning we were funding it before lockdowns started and just as China was being affected. You truly need to work on your reading comprehension skills before attempting to suggest anyone has errors in anything.