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Chrome is not the problem. Chrome is not even a symptom. The problem is that the world's largest search engine is also the world's largest ad distributor. Cho

by m4r1k 2y ago

Chrome is not the problem. Chrome is not even a symptom. The problem is that the world's largest search engine is also the world's largest ad distributor. Chopping off tentacles like Android or Chrome does nothing to slay the two-headed beast.

wmf 2y ago
There's a bunch of other stuff in there about syndicating data (which admittedly I don't understand) that takes aim at the heart of search and ads.
forgotoldacc 2y ago
It's all part of an ecosystem. Chrome is a vehicle in which users are roped into their search engine and ads. And their search engine and ads also push users into Chrome. It's all cyclical. Breaking off any chunk weakens the link between them and locks users into their ecosystem less. Rome wasn't built in a day, and monopolies aren't destroyed in one either.
- dismalaf 2y ago
  Apple's VP literally said that no amount of money would make them choose Bing over Google because Google is the best search engine... Lets be real, no one needs to be "roped into" using Google search. People have Bing and Edge shoved down their throats and still use Chrome and Google...
  - forgotoldacc 2y ago
    A company that operates a monopoly having massive advantages against competitors isn't the argument you think it is. Courts in every developed country on earth see your statement and say "That's precisely why we're breaking this company up." Every single time a monopoly forms, people say "It's not a monopoly. They're just better than the others and nobody wants the competition." They never realize that's the textbook example of a monopoly.
    - dismalaf 2y ago
      So what advantages does Google have over Bing apart from simply being a better product? Microsoft is worth almost double what Google/Alphabet is, has larger desktop operating market share than Chrome has browser market share, forces Edge and Bing down their users throats leveraging their operating system yet has far less traction. Surely MS should be able to outspend and outcompete because they're bigger and a monopolist as well, right?
      - br0wnr1c3 2y ago
        I believe the point OP is trying to make is, Google Search and Google Ads are a better product _because_ they're a monopoly. For both search and ads, user data is what improves the quality and revenue earned. Microsoft, with its small percentage of search queries overall, doesn't have that data and could never get as good as Google in those markets.
dyauspitr 2y ago
Why would I want to slay one of our greatest technological companies?
- dismalaf 2y ago
  Because MS and Apple ran a bunch of ads painting Google as untrustworthy custodians of user data and that unsubstantiated claim stuck with certain segments of the population?
2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
Have you read the document? They explain why Chrome and Android are clean cut-points for remedy.

by m4r1k 2y ago

wmf 2y ago

There's a bunch of other stuff in there about syndicating data (which admittedly I don't understand) that takes aim at the heart of search and ads.

forgotoldacc 2y ago

It's all part of an ecosystem. Chrome is a vehicle in which users are roped into their search engine and ads. And their search engine and ads also push users into Chrome. It's all cyclical. Breaking off any chunk weakens the link between them and locks users into their ecosystem less. Rome wasn't built in a day, and monopolies aren't destroyed in one either.

dismalaf 2y ago
Apple's VP literally said that no amount of money would make them choose Bing over Google because Google is the best search engine... Lets be real, no one needs to be "roped into" using Google search. People have Bing and Edge shoved down their throats and still use Chrome and Google...
- forgotoldacc 2y ago
  A company that operates a monopoly having massive advantages against competitors isn't the argument you think it is. Courts in every developed country on earth see your statement and say "That's precisely why we're breaking this company up." Every single time a monopoly forms, people say "It's not a monopoly. They're just better than the others and nobody wants the competition." They never realize that's the textbook example of a monopoly.
  - dismalaf 2y ago
    So what advantages does Google have over Bing apart from simply being a better product? Microsoft is worth almost double what Google/Alphabet is, has larger desktop operating market share than Chrome has browser market share, forces Edge and Bing down their users throats leveraging their operating system yet has far less traction. Surely MS should be able to outspend and outcompete because they're bigger and a monopolist as well, right?
    - br0wnr1c3 2y ago
      I believe the point OP is trying to make is, Google Search and Google Ads are a better product _because_ they're a monopoly. For both search and ads, user data is what improves the quality and revenue earned. Microsoft, with its small percentage of search queries overall, doesn't have that data and could never get as good as Google in those markets.

dyauspitr 2y ago

Why would I want to slay one of our greatest technological companies?

dismalaf 2y ago
Because MS and Apple ran a bunch of ads painting Google as untrustworthy custodians of user data and that unsubstantiated claim stuck with certain segments of the population?

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

Have you read the document? They explain why Chrome and Android are clean cut-points for remedy.