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I don't understand this perspective. Why should I resent the creation of value from behaviours that I would be doing anyway.

jillyboel 2y ago
Because the goal is to replace you with a machine and to widen the poverty gap. Also because I do not consent to it. Are you also fine with taking pictures of pretty women on the street (hey, they'd be walking there anyway) and posting them online and farming ad revenue? Or training a model on their likeness for porn?
- nh23423fefe 2y ago
  I don't like bad arguments like this.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    tbh I don't think its a bad argument. There's plenty of things I'd do to be nice to a fellow person that I would Not do for the benefit of a large company. What they're doing is (IMO) evil and anti-human and I do not want to be part of it
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    It is exactly the conclusion that capitalism and maximizing shareholder value leads to.
  - jillyboel 2y ago
    I don't like bad comments like this.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  Women on the street didn’t agree to a terms of service and didn’t choose to put content online. The better metaphor is a woman posting her photos online and then those photos were used by a painter who then sold an abstract painting of her.
  - jillyboel 2y ago
    As if these ai bros give a fuck? No terms of services mentioned AI but they scraped everything and built their fortunes from it. Also are you sure that the TOS of the major websites specify "we allow anyone that runs a scraper to use your data however they wish" Because I can guarantee you they don't. And yet, that's what the AI bros have done / are still doing. Sure, these despicable companies realize they hold value and are now also selling our data, but that's only one side of this disgusting coin.
    - whamlastxmas 2y ago
      Every major website including Reddit and Imgur have TOS language saying they can do basically anything they want with content you add to their platforms, including AI training
      - jillyboel 2y ago
        Sure, what does that have to do with third parties scraping shit and training their models on it? Which is exactly how these ai bros started their empire? These terms of services were updated after the genie was out of the bottle. Claiming otherwise is revisionist.
- fragmede 2y ago
  https://www.earthcam.com/cams/newyork/timessquare/?cam=tsrobo1 https://www.earthcam.com/cams/newyork/timessquare/?cam=tsrob... is a webcam of Times Square, and they've got ads on the page, and they're making money off pictures of pretty men and women on that street. I don't know how okay or not I am with it, but it's the world we live in.
- alwa 2y ago
  Didn’t beloved New York Times photographer Bill Cunningham make a storied career out of doing exactly that? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/01/style/bill-cunningham-book.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/01/style/bill-cunningham-boo...
  - jillyboel 2y ago
    All I'm seeing is a paywall. Of course I'm not going to pay for access to some american news paper, since I'm not an american. Anyway if he didn't ask them for permission then that is very gross, yes.
forgetfreeman 2y ago
You're mislabeling rent-seeking as value creation. Perhaps this is the root of your misunderstanding?
- aydyn 2y ago
  Not really, you're assuming that your independent actions or forum comments have intrinsic value. They do not.
  - blibble 2y ago
    then there's no need for the AI parasites to train on them
    - aydyn 2y ago
      Does sand have much intrinsic value, or is the value coming from the technology to make integrated circuits? Is the fabrication process parasitic too? Lots of cope here. Ostensibly, some people cant handle a simple observable fact.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  Tbh, I'm not sure its rent seeking, but whether the 'value' is for the company or for society is extremely questionable
UltraSane 2y ago
Because AI is going to create a world where only a few hundred trillionaires and a few thousand billionaires exist while everyone else is in desperate poverty.

jillyboel 2y ago

Because the goal is to replace you with a machine and to widen the poverty gap. Also because I do not consent to it. Are you also fine with taking pictures of pretty women on the street (hey, they'd be walking there anyway) and posting them online and farming ad revenue? Or training a model on their likeness for porn?

nh23423fefe 2y ago
I don't like bad arguments like this.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  tbh I don't think its a bad argument. There's plenty of things I'd do to be nice to a fellow person that I would Not do for the benefit of a large company. What they're doing is (IMO) evil and anti-human and I do not want to be part of it
- UltraSane 2y ago
  It is exactly the conclusion that capitalism and maximizing shareholder value leads to.
- jillyboel 2y ago
  I don't like bad comments like this.
whamlastxmas 2y ago
Women on the street didn’t agree to a terms of service and didn’t choose to put content online. The better metaphor is a woman posting her photos online and then those photos were used by a painter who then sold an abstract painting of her.
- jillyboel 2y ago
  As if these ai bros give a fuck? No terms of services mentioned AI but they scraped everything and built their fortunes from it. Also are you sure that the TOS of the major websites specify "we allow anyone that runs a scraper to use your data however they wish" Because I can guarantee you they don't. And yet, that's what the AI bros have done / are still doing. Sure, these despicable companies realize they hold value and are now also selling our data, but that's only one side of this disgusting coin.
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    Every major website including Reddit and Imgur have TOS language saying they can do basically anything they want with content you add to their platforms, including AI training
    - jillyboel 2y ago
      Sure, what does that have to do with third parties scraping shit and training their models on it? Which is exactly how these ai bros started their empire? These terms of services were updated after the genie was out of the bottle. Claiming otherwise is revisionist.
fragmede 2y ago
https://www.earthcam.com/cams/newyork/timessquare/?cam=tsrobo1 https://www.earthcam.com/cams/newyork/timessquare/?cam=tsrob... is a webcam of Times Square, and they've got ads on the page, and they're making money off pictures of pretty men and women on that street. I don't know how okay or not I am with it, but it's the world we live in.
alwa 2y ago
Didn’t beloved New York Times photographer Bill Cunningham make a storied career out of doing exactly that? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/01/style/bill-cunningham-book.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/01/style/bill-cunningham-boo...
- jillyboel 2y ago
  All I'm seeing is a paywall. Of course I'm not going to pay for access to some american news paper, since I'm not an american. Anyway if he didn't ask them for permission then that is very gross, yes.

forgetfreeman 2y ago

You're mislabeling rent-seeking as value creation. Perhaps this is the root of your misunderstanding?

aydyn 2y ago
Not really, you're assuming that your independent actions or forum comments have intrinsic value. They do not.
- blibble 2y ago
  then there's no need for the AI parasites to train on them
  - aydyn 2y ago
    Does sand have much intrinsic value, or is the value coming from the technology to make integrated circuits? Is the fabrication process parasitic too? Lots of cope here. Ostensibly, some people cant handle a simple observable fact.
spencerflem 2y ago
Tbh, I'm not sure its rent seeking, but whether the 'value' is for the company or for society is extremely questionable

UltraSane 2y ago

Because AI is going to create a world where only a few hundred trillionaires and a few thousand billionaires exist while everyone else is in desperate poverty.