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Putin sabotaged the 3 centuries of Russia’s progress. The pipeline is just a noise here. >he worked for a decade to get built that is sweet of you. I just ima

by trhway 2y ago

Putin sabotaged the 3 centuries of Russia’s progress. The pipeline is just a noise here. >he worked for a decade to get built that is sweet of you. I just imagine Putin himself welding under water. Not the billions dollars steal by his childhood buddies what typically such Russian megaprojects are.

burnt-resistor 2y ago
It's probable the US and possibly Norway did it under cover of BALTOPS 22. https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the... Snopes only offers FUD but not a single contradiction or refutation of any of Sy Hersh's reporting or claims other than it boils down to "it relies on a single source". Sometimes, in secret operations, that's the reality. There exist genuine anonymous sources who cannot be revealed themselves. Part of the principle of benefit-of-the-doubt is trusting that Sy Hersh isn't merely looking for a quick payday to sellout his journalistic integrity for a few dollars and that he isn't an easily-fooled novice when it comes to doing due-diligence on sources and facts. It's mostly a disrespectful hit-piece lacking in evidence. With all likelihood, like the identity of Deep Throat, the truth will come out once the source retires and write a book about it. https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/10/hersh-nord-stream-sabotage/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/10/hersh-nord-stream-sab...
- groby_b 2y ago
  If it weren't Sy Hersh, this might be more believable. The guy has been putting some distance between himself and reality for over a decade now. (Could it be true? Maybe. IDK. No dog in that particular fight. But if you, as an anonymous source, go to Sy Hersh, you're an idiot or don't want large numbers of people to believe what you're saying. Occam's razor suggests the former)
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Yup - he's a genuine tragedy.
    - burnt-resistor 2y ago
      So another Aaron Maté?
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        From what I know of the guy, I can't see mentioning the two in the same sentence. Hersh's (good) works were truly monumental. I'm not aware of anything that Maté has brought to the table that would be even remotely comparable. And unlike Hersh (who for many years enjoyed a reputation seemingly beyond reproach), Maté seems to have started shooting himself in the foot pretty soon after he became widely known.
PittleyDunkin 2y ago
> Putin sabotaged the 3 centuries of Russia’s progress. What a farcical depiction of the world. There is more to Russia than Putin's opposition to the west.
- trhway 2y ago
  >There is more to Russia than Putin's opposition to the west. definitely. That "more" is the backwater Grand Duchy of Moscow how it was before Peter The Great.
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  - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
    As much as I'd like to blithely believe you actually agree with me, who gives a damn about muscovites, particularly from more than 400 years ago? and what bearing does this have on our conversation?
    - trhway 2y ago
      the 3 centuries of progress started by Peter The Great - importing European values, educated people and technology, science and education - made that Grand Duchy of Moscow into the, in various times in various aspects, great country of Russia (Russian Empire, USSR). Peter The Great "opened windows" into Europe and to Caucasus (for example in the military expedition of 1724 Peter The Great signed treaty with the Armenian dukes). Putin had been actively reversing that process - under him Russia rejected European values, kicked out or suppressed many educated people, and the Russian tech, science and education is going straight downhill. Putin "closed the European and Caucasus windows". Russia is quickly returning back to that state of the backwater Grand Duchy of Moscow.
      - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
        Putin is hardly the first, or the hundredth, or the hundredth-thousandth russian to agonize between asian and european influences on russian culture. Secondly, education is not a "european" value, as much as the west would like to claim it.

by trhway 2y ago

burnt-resistor 2y ago

It's probable the US and possibly Norway did it under cover of BALTOPS 22. https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the... Snopes only offers FUD but not a single contradiction or refutation of any of Sy Hersh's reporting or claims other than it boils down to "it relies on a single source". Sometimes, in secret operations, that's the reality. There exist genuine anonymous sources who cannot be revealed themselves. Part of the principle of benefit-of-the-doubt is trusting that Sy Hersh isn't merely looking for a quick payday to sellout his journalistic integrity for a few dollars and that he isn't an easily-fooled novice when it comes to doing due-diligence on sources and facts. It's mostly a disrespectful hit-piece lacking in evidence. With all likelihood, like the identity of Deep Throat, the truth will come out once the source retires and write a book about it. https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/10/hersh-nord-stream-sabotage/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/10/hersh-nord-stream-sab...

groby_b 2y ago
If it weren't Sy Hersh, this might be more believable. The guy has been putting some distance between himself and reality for over a decade now. (Could it be true? Maybe. IDK. No dog in that particular fight. But if you, as an anonymous source, go to Sy Hersh, you're an idiot or don't want large numbers of people to believe what you're saying. Occam's razor suggests the former)
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Yup - he's a genuine tragedy.
  - burnt-resistor 2y ago
    So another Aaron Maté?
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      From what I know of the guy, I can't see mentioning the two in the same sentence. Hersh's (good) works were truly monumental. I'm not aware of anything that Maté has brought to the table that would be even remotely comparable. And unlike Hersh (who for many years enjoyed a reputation seemingly beyond reproach), Maté seems to have started shooting himself in the foot pretty soon after he became widely known.

PittleyDunkin 2y ago

> Putin sabotaged the 3 centuries of Russia’s progress. What a farcical depiction of the world. There is more to Russia than Putin's opposition to the west.

trhway 2y ago
>There is more to Russia than Putin's opposition to the west. definitely. That "more" is the backwater Grand Duchy of Moscow how it was before Peter The Great.
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- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  As much as I'd like to blithely believe you actually agree with me, who gives a damn about muscovites, particularly from more than 400 years ago? and what bearing does this have on our conversation?
  - trhway 2y ago
    the 3 centuries of progress started by Peter The Great - importing European values, educated people and technology, science and education - made that Grand Duchy of Moscow into the, in various times in various aspects, great country of Russia (Russian Empire, USSR). Peter The Great "opened windows" into Europe and to Caucasus (for example in the military expedition of 1724 Peter The Great signed treaty with the Armenian dukes). Putin had been actively reversing that process - under him Russia rejected European values, kicked out or suppressed many educated people, and the Russian tech, science and education is going straight downhill. Putin "closed the European and Caucasus windows". Russia is quickly returning back to that state of the backwater Grand Duchy of Moscow.
    - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
      Putin is hardly the first, or the hundredth, or the hundredth-thousandth russian to agonize between asian and european influences on russian culture. Secondly, education is not a "european" value, as much as the west would like to claim it.